Chord symbol entry for drop-voicing (Drop-2, Drop-3, etc)

Or we trust the players.

We do the same thing with bowed strings all the time and no one bats an eye. No one marks positions or puts string indicators on every note in violin music. And if we need to specify a passage is played on the G-string, for example, we can notate that for that specific passage.

Same applies to guitar. Just give me the notes and trust that I know what to do with the instrument.

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It is obvious that you have no background in professional music business.

In my almost 40-year career as a professional guitarist, I have never been presented with tablature as notation. If a guitarist cannot produce sensible fingerings from standard notation, a change of profession is called for. And if more precise indications are required, the necessary symbols exist in standard notation.

Tablature is a stopgap for guitarists who have never learned to read music.
And nobody has ever told me which voicings to use. An arranger will say “your chords are too dense” or “don’t get in the way of the piano”, but never “use drop2 voicings”. It’s my job to decide that.

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Ok, let’s go. What genres have you played?

I’m not going to do you the favor of justifying myself about something you obviously have no idea about.

If you don’t want to take the advice given to you in this thread by knowledgeable members, ok, your loss.

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If you look at a selection of jazz charts, for the guitarist you will see chord symbols (most of the time), some written-out lines or sections, and some indications of rhythms.

Ditto for keys.

The expectation is that the players will voice chords themselves.

There’s absolutely no need to write out explicit chords and it wouldn’t help.

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As far as Dorico goes, if one wants to specify the notes a (VST) guitarist plays, one should take the time to write out the notes rather than expecting the Development Team to suspend work on more important (generally useful) features and clutter up the written score with indications a live performer will never use.

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Yes, please do.

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Just a small addendum here. If you input your chord symbols using a MIDI keyboard (rather than typing the chord name) then Dorico will use the voicing from the MIDI data to play back the chord (if you’ve enabled chord symbol playback). That’s not quite what the original poster asked for, but it does provide a way of specifying the notes used for playback without having to write them out in full if that’s useful.

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@FredGUnn nice example! :raised_hands:t3:

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This is something I already stated in one of the first answers to this thread-post#5 (and no reaction was written about it…)

Oh, yes, sorry - I came in to the thread partway through. Apologies for overlooking that.

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Thanks, Richard. I actually know that, although chord input via MIDI kbd has tended to be a bit quirky on my setup: sometimes it works fine and sometimes the kbd seems unable to connect for chords even when it works fine for other inputs.

Dorico is the player.

That expectation will not be lived up to when the players do not understand the musical intention; which they never fully will, because they are not the composer. Dorico is the notation tool which provides this information to the player.

I am absolutely sure I told you before that you should not speak for the development team, because you are not on the development team, and your opinions about what features are or are not important, are irrelevant and posturing.

Whereas your [opinions] are [important, relevant and not posturing]?
Please keep it civil.

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Then what’s wrong with what I described in post 5 and was suggested by @Richard_Lanyon too? I mean, Dorico will play exactly the notes that you play while entering the chords with your MIDI keyboard. But you keep silent about this existing solution, so I suppose something is wrong with it. Could you at least explain what it is?

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But you are saying certain features ARE important?
How does that work, exactly?

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Dorico is not the player. It’s the score writer.

I don’t think you understand jazz conventions.

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I don’t think you understand that I am NOT writing jazz, and I never said that I was. Explain why Dorico accepts inversions, if it is not ‘the player’? If I were to write jazz it means hell has frozen over, because I don’t like most everything about jazz, including the attitudes of the players, as re-demonstrated here in this thread; and besides, that has nothing to do with the feature requested here, that Dorico be able to provide the notes when using the chords-to-notes feature, and simulate chords as well in the Chords instrument, just as Dorico is able to do with many other types of chords after entering the popup name. Drop chords is simply a writing technique, nothing more, nothing less, it is a mechanical tool for voicing (coincidentally why it is called “mechanical” voicing?), and itself has nothing to do with genre, although as I stated previously, it does have an association to specific instruments or ensemble configurations. It is that simple. Now, why the jazz players here are pooping diamonds over this concept, or tab for that matter, is also for some of the reasons which I described before (throw in some classism and elitism for good measure). What would have been actually helpful, is to suggest workarounds, such as combining the filter and transpose commands to achieve a similar result for the various drop voicings, as suggested in the 1st reply. Or, suggest good shortcut commands for a chord popup, which the development team might consider when adding this feature; as I said in my first post, “what popover text would be used to enter drop-voices?”.

This works if using a MIDI keyboard and/or Record with Dorico. I don’t use a MIDI keyboard, it is that simple. In the case where I have xx measures of harmony in a staff already written out, it would be more straightforward to use a ‘select-and-operate’ workaround (rather than re-playing the notes in).

Really, this is quite a simple feature request, very common in ensemble writing (in fact, specifically expected in specific genres), and important in accurate playback.

Before anyone other than @Christian_R or @MarcLarcher had posted anything in this thread, you had already posted all that nonsense above, and you don’t expect anyone to respond to it?

You don’t have to like jazz, plenty of people don’t, but you clearly have not an ounce of understanding of what jazz musicians do. Any working jazz musician playing a chordal instrument can simply play drop-2 voicings on any chord, any key, any tempo, without needing someone to write tab to tell them how to play their own instrument. It’s a trivial request, as virtually all working jazz musicians have a high level of mastery on their instrument and a thorough knowledge of harmony. I’ve never desired chord symbol playback in Dorico, so I don’t really have any opposition to your request if it’s something you need Dorico to do for you, but you can make the request without abrasively insulting large numbers of forum members on a subject with which you obviously have very limited knowledge.

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