Chords slurs

Hello.

I’m inside an orchestral score. Trumpets part. I have all 3 trumpets in one staff, it’s good to me like this.

Now, I have two chords, and I would like to have a slur for each note. If the notes are all on the same voice, Dorico applies only one slur. If I have three different voices Dorico puts two slurs together in the bottom part (or upper part depends on the chord), like the first part of the image.
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As you see in the image, in the second part I tried moving the slur myself in engraving mode, and that’s the best thing I could come up with, but it’s not that smooth and nice looking.

Any ideas?

Thank you.

Because Dorico does not attach slur endpoints to individual notes but rather to the voice, so when you need an “inner slur” like this that goes between moving notes inside chords, then positioning the slur manually in Engrave mode is the correct approach.

Im working my way through an old vocal score I’ve imported from Sibelius (a story in itself!) where all slurred chords are topped and tailed with slur marks. There are no internal slurs in chords of 3+ notes, just a top and a tail. To replicate it accurately I’m taking the same approach.

I don’t know whether this is a common form of notation, but I have come across double slur marks for chords quite a bit. Might it make sense to have an engraving option for slurred chords to have 1) single, 2) top and tail, or 3) full slurred marks?

Not a priority as there’s an obvious work around, but it would save a lot of time.

In this situation I wish it was possible to make the slurs behave like ties. The default behavior of ties is pretty much perfect and if the slurs anchored automatically that way, very little manual editing would be needed.

Has anything changed in relation to this? I have long stretches of this sort of material I have to set (long) and doing the tail slurs by hand in engrave mode is not feasible for such a large quantity.

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Since ties in dyads and chords work great, how about we do extend this to slurs? I am aware that various authorities will say that this notation is incorrect, but I want Dorico to let us do it if need be. In this case I think the slur model of Dorico has some shortcomings.

I daresay I’m missing something obvious here, but it’s not clear from your excerpt why you can’t actually use ties?

Probably the repeated tenuti. Might be easiest to build those as Playing Techniques and use actual ties, though.

Because ties would mean there is no accent on the note. The use of accidentals indicates a slur, not a tie.

Aha. I see there is a way to have the tied note accidental show. So, that would be a way to fake it, but of course the playback would not result in separate articulations.

If you want separate articulations (even if subtle) then that is what slurs are for.
I suppose it is a case of “pick your poison,” so to speak.

Hi there

I think that these curved lines are neither true slurs, nor true ties, but a kind of hybrid of the two. If they were ties, the repeated accidentals would be unnecessary; if they were slurs, a single slur would be standard practice.

Maybe this is a new kind of curved line which we could call a slie (or maybe a tur), which has a new set of behaviours/placements/interactions.

I think that using true ties (ie without repeated accidentals, and with articulations on tied-to notes) is the sensible thing to do here, as it is all part of standard engraving practice. I think this regardless of the ease/difficulty with which this is possible in Dorico.

(I know from earlier posts that you are unable to make these changes in your work for this composer. But still…)

cheers
Jeremy