I run Dorico Pro 5.1 under Windows 11 and have a problem trying to emulate a change of clef at the beginning of a new flow.
When I try to do this I the treble clef disappears and I get:
Is there a work aroud for this?
John
When I try to do this I the treble clef disappears and I get:
Is there a work aroud for this?
John
A possible workaround is to add a 32d to the bar (by entering “c,4.125” in the popover M), then place the bass clef just after the first 32d, and finally remove the rest at the beginning:
Looks like Chinese Dance from Nutcracker 
Is a cue not an option?
To accomplish that select the rest in bar 1 in the clarinet staff, press SHIFT-U and then Fa and select Fagott(o) 1. Flip the stems in the properties panel if necessary.
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To charles_piano:
I tried your work around, the other alternative doesn’t suit my single player configuration. The result was as follows:
The 32nd rest at the beginning of the bar could not be be selected but not deleted.
John
Test_Area.dorico (583.0 KB)
If you are attempting to reproduce just the Clarinet part, really the simplest solution is to add the Bassoon player (and any other players that might be cued into the Clarinet) to the Score. This would avoid you having to use awkward workarounds.
Your Clarinet part layout is the one you would finally print and would show all the cues.
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It seems that you haven’t created a special pickup bar as I was suggesting. Additionally, you’ll need to input the eight notes with forced duration (O key).
I redid this in your file, and it works:
Test_Area.dorico (575,2 Ko)
(But I agree with @Vadian and @Janus: given the type of score you’re showing, the simplest solution is to use cue notes, then you can keep a real 4/4 measure.)
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My two cents regarding this cue in particular:
Bassoon 1 is playing in the first and the 15 empty bars (actually almost in the entire movement) permanently the same notes. This cue just in bar one is pretty useless. For the clarinet player(s) the entry of the piccolo in bar 10 and the second time in bar 14 would be much more helpful.
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Here is what has to be done for this workaround:
- Select the time signature
- Shift+M > Type “c,4.125” > Enter
- Set the rhythmic grid to 32nd note.
- Shift+N > Right arrow
- Shift+C > f > Enter
- Type 5, type letter O (if you are working with duration before pitch)
- Enter the notes (GCGCGCGC)
- Select the 32nd rest at the begining
- Edit > Remove rests
(Or, instead of 8 & 9 : select the first G, then activate “starts voice” in the properties panel)
I disagree. The Bassoon cue clarifies how the conductor is showing time (in 2 or in 4). I have experienced both during the 100’s of times I have performed Nutcracker.
However, I do agree the Piccolo cue(s) would be helpful as well.
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I have tested the Cue option and it works fine, however, it would be interesting for me to master the workaround so I followed the steps 1-9 in an effort to do this. Steps 1-5 were no problem:
Steps 6 and 7 gave med the following after input G
and the C
followed by the remaining notes in that bar
Steps 8 and 9 completed the process but left me with the tied low C notes. How do I fix this?
It really looks like “force duration” is not activated, is it?
Your left panel should look like this while entering the eight notes:
If that’s the case, I’m not knowledgeable enough to explain why your C notes don’t appear as full eights.
The rest at the start of the bar means all the quavers you enter are off the beat (Dorico assumes the first note of a bar is on the beat) which is why it notates them like that. As @charles_piano says, you must engage force duration (O) before you enter the quavers to prevent that.
When you do that, you will likely find that all eight quavers beam together (again, because Dorico cannot find a sensible grouping for the off the beat notes). To fix that, select the fifth note and right-click>beaming>split beam.
OK! I got it to work now. Thanks for your input.
John
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