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Along with applying said improvements to automation in general.
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I want to see that, too! I asked for a tool like that years ago (2012) on the GS forum. I want to be able to edit QUICKLY! This would save me so much time if this way of editing is used for clip gain, volume envelope events, and any any type of automation.
If you want to find the thread that I mentioned, it is called âCubase 6.5 Volume Envelope Eventsâ on the GS forum.
And, by the way, +1. (I would like to say +10 or +100, for emphasis.)
Guys, suffering for PRE fx level tweaking. well I do agree that clip envelope thing is pretty useless in cubase due to itâs âundrawabilityâ and awkwardness, but thereâs always a trick that can help - instead of making points and dragging envelope segments, just use scissors, separate letâs say a word of your vocal track, gain using mouse wheel - thatâs all )) Clicks U say? - no - just separate in right place and use autofade feature. 3-10 ms is pretty ok for working on vocals. And it is MUCH faster, than doing it the way U want or the way Pro Tools offers. OK YOU DONâT want to do like I said and want envelope to work in FRONT of compressor? Ok - no prob too - inserts 7 and 8 are POST fader (volume envelope, which is what you want actually). iâm on both platforms and do a LOT of vocal tweaking and know everything about whatâs faster. Definitely not enveloping. So donât ask for implementing of ProTools philosophy of editing in Cubase. Use ProTools then. It has lotâs of good stuff when You mix, but is terrible when you arrange. There are lots of things in Cubase to be improved and implemented so thatâs the very last feature Iâd dream of with Steinberg. Sorry -1.
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I am specifically asking for these Clip gain improvements (namely, being able to quickly highlight with the range tool and swipe the gain down/up with one motion of the mouse) because I have spent more hours than I would care to spend editing things like the sibilance of words and phrases, which canât always be easily split from the rest of the track, manipulated, and faded in/out without adverse effects. Since I tend to dislike the resulting sound of most de-essers that I have tried, I prefer to go manual.
Thanks for this tip, though, Nonikoff! Iâm going to try to use the âscissors and mouse scroll wheelâ technique that you mentioned because it seems much faster than my current method for some editing situations. However, I donât see how it could be quicker than what I requested for quickly controlling those sustained and conjoined âessyâ vocal phrases and for grabbing little bits of automation with the range tool and bringing them up or down. What is shown in the animated image on page one of this thread seems faster than your way editing for those situations, IMO. Again, Iâm going to employ your tip. Thanks, in advance, for saving me time!
BTW, in the past, when I have done my editing (for de-essing) in a similar way to what you prescribe. I would highlight the track, cut it into phrases, highlight all phrases and fade in/out, cut out all of the 'esses, highlight all 'esses only, and adjust their volume to taste. Obviously, my way didnât really work fast enough for the situations that I mentioned earlier.
+1. I am a heavy Pro Tools user for mixing as well as an occasional Cubase user (most all versions since late '90s) for composing. Clip gain manipulation in Pro Tools as the OP indicates makes manual de-essing, surgical noise removal, etc. extremely efficient. There is no messing about with slicing and dicing. As the OPâs graphic illustrates, it is extremely quick and offers a much more efficient workflow than any of the workaround tricks proposed in this thread. This is one of no more than a half a dozen items that Steinberg development could implement in Cubase that would rob Avid of a significant number of users of its PT base. The new 8.5 clicked a couple off the previous list.
It is important to understand I am not implying Cubase has to be a Pro Tools âcloneâ. As a long time PT user it wouldnât take too many more features to make me jump ship to use Cubase for all ITB mixing duties. There are so many features in Cubase that mop the floor with PT, but the ability to edit and navigate audio clips is sorely lacking from a production workflow perspective. If Steinberg were to institute a concerted effort to do a usability study with experienced PT users as to what are the show-stoppers preventing them from adopting Cubase as their production DAW, the must-have list would be quite short. And, Avid is not sitting on there hands. Some major, cool features Cubase users have enjoyed for years just came online in PT over the past six months and recent weeks as they have moved to shorter feature release cycles.
To me what makes this protools feature powerful is not only the speed (which is really important) but the fact that all this automation is pre fader (so before any dynamics processing) and is visually reflected in the waveform (so its easy to see your changes). The problem with Cubases current clip gain system is the fact that you cannot draw nodes. It works fine for adjusting the volume between phrases where there is silence (split the region and adjust the gain accordingly) but as soon as you try use it adjust the volume of a word or note in a phrase, you will hear a very audible and unnatural jump because there are no ramps / nodes to smooth out the change at the cuts. Adding node ability in clip gain would fix this issue and make it much more useable IMO.
I wonder if a quick solution would be to code it so the PreGain automation (in the PRE section of the mixer) to reflect changes in waveform gain visually? Would there be any potential negative to using pre gain this way?
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You can do this with Cubase. Just RTFM.
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+1, absolutely. I think this is the only Pro Tools feature that Iâve felt I would like implemented in Cubase.
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+1 Yes, I need that to. Very good function.
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An easy workaround for the jump automation in Cubase: