Combine Tempo Equation and New Tempo Marking?

Hi, I am wondering, is there a chance to combine a tempo equation with a new tempo?


As of right now, the tempo equation would delete the new tempo text and vice versa, and it feels a bit awkward to place the new tempo 1/16th rest into the new bar.
Thanks for your help!
Sebastian

We will have to wait for a more advanced editor (I can’t wait :wink:) for tempo markings to avoid workarounds such as a different font or add multiple indications but with consequent spacing problems.
Metrico is a good option but, being ultimately a system object, alignments with other tempo markings (e.g. rit.) are lost.

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Thanks Mati, I appreciate your reply! Same here, I can’t wait for the next update.
All best, Sebastian

Can you enter the two tempi notations on slightly different parts of the measure the way one can finesse a fermata and breath mark by entering one of them a 32nd note after the other on the grid?

tempiNotations

It is certainly possible, but any spacing changes that alter the grid can lead to undesirable results. I tried with a very large and complex orchestral score but it was an editing nightmare!
There is now a really good workaround with MusGlyphs (excellent work by Dan Kreider) in its variants MusGlyphs-Roman/MusGlyphs-Roman Bold: MusGlyphs: Bravura for writing in time signatures and other glyphs - #90 by mati

p.s.: I don’t know if an editor for more complex tempo markings will be present in the next update or even just planned… Mine is just a hope!

Yes, MusGlyphs-Roman (and RomanBold) is exactly the solution here. It’s still being developed, but the link @mati posted should still work.

Hi,
Apparently Dorico is still not able to have Tempo Mark and Tempo Equation in the same measure. So I used MusGlyphs.
However, I might be doing something wrong. I wrote the Tempo Equation with MusGlyphs on the score (show: All, set local properties: Globally), but it doesn’t appear on the parts.
What should I do?

Thank you.

Use system text with Shift+alt/opt+X

Jesper

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Thank you, shift+alt+x worked.
However, if I move it on engrave mode (to put it between two measures), even if it local properties is set to globally, it doesn’t change the placement on the parts.
Is there a quicker way to do it instead of moving it on each part individually?

Strange, it works here. Otherwise, it’s always best if you can move it in Write mode with alt + arrows. Change the grid if you need smaller steps.

Jesper


Mine isn’t unfortunately.


PS: That’s not the placement I am looking for, I did it just to make it clearer for this test.

In Engrave mode in the full score, when you positioned the ♪=♪ and the tempo marking to your liking, select both and choose Edit>Propagate Properties. That should position them in the parts in the same way.

Hi @Coe, besides the useful suggestions above, the reason why moving the system text with the shortcuts or by dragging it in Engrave mode doesn’t give the expected result, is that doing so you activate the Per-staff offset Properties overrides.

You need instead to use the Offsets that you find in the Common section of the Properties Panel (also setting the scope of the Properties Panel to Globally), so that the positioning will be reflected in all layouts (you can then use the Per-staff offset for fine adjustments of the parts layouts, setting the Properties Panel to Locally, to avoid unwanted changes in the upper staff of the score that corresponds to the layout of that particular Player):

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Hi @Zalde , I tried the propagate properties, but it didn’t work.

@Christian_R the Properties Panel was already in Globally. But you are right that it was activating the Per-staff offset. So, I cannot place it with the mouse, right, I have to find the right offset using numbers on the common panel?
Btw, this was for the text with MusGlyphs, but I guess a similar process should be done for Tempo Marks and Tempo Equations. However, there is no “Per-staff offset” on these cases; rather, a “start offset” on the Tempo panel.
But for some reason the placement for Tempo Mark and Tempo Equation is not moving when I change the offset in the Common panel.

Btw, is there a way to stay on the same measure when switching from score to a part? When I go back to the score, it goes to the first measure.

@Coe,

Yes. And you can make usage of the modifiers, while clicking on the little arrow icons, to move in full steps (with Command), in 1/2 steps (with Shift+Option) or in 1/32 steps (with Shift+Option+Command)

Two further suggestions,

  • to position the System-text and the tempo marking, It is better to deactivate Avoid collision for the System-text first
  • to move the Tempo Marking to the right in all Layouts (to make place for the System-text Tempo equation), you could insert some spaces before the Tempo text in the Properties Panel Text field:


You could benefit of this Key Command (Centre Selection) to which you can assign a custom shortcut:

There is generally also a Preference that brings the selection into view, when switching tab or window:

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Hi,
The change of position of worked with text, not colliding with Tempo Mark, but apparently there is no option to avoid collision with the Rehearsal Letter.
In any case, is instead of text, I use Tempo Equation (if I insert it on another tempo of the measure, I can have both Tempo mark and Tempo Equation), it collides with the Tempo Mark (and with the Rehearsal Letter).
I could change the offset of the rehearsal letter and of the tempo mark, but I wonder if there is an option to avoid collision, so this is made automatically.
PS: for Tempo Equation, Tempo Mark and Rehearsal Letter, for some reason the common offset didn’t work, so I had to use “Start offset” instead.

As for the “When switching tab or window, bring selection into view”, I activated this option, but still when I change from score and parts, it goes to the first measure, even if a note is selected on another measure.
That said, a turn around I found (regardless of that option being activated or not) is to press “P” to play it, so even if it goes to the first measure, because a note was selected, when pression “P” it goes to the selected measure (you just have to press “P” again to stop the playback).
PS: the key command Center Selection didn’t work for this.

Thank you.