In the trumpet parts, I included an “Atonal Key Signature” at m. 83 of the trumpet part and “B-major Key Signature” at m. 87 (just as in the violin parts), but it does not show when the score is condensed (it shows up when it is not condensed).
m. 77, trombone parts are shown as quarter on top of tied sixteenth & dotted eighth on the 4th beat. Full score, parts all shows as normal quarter note, but this happens only when it is condensed.
Lastly, starting from m. 77, I tried to create 7/4 time signature with alternating 3+2+2 and 2+3+3 with dotted subdivided bars. In order to do this, I had to be creative and made 7/4 bar starting with 3 quarter note pick-up notes, then hide time signature for “3/4|2/4|2/4” depending on the bar’s division. This is not very ideal especially because m. 77 has extended dotted barline after the dotted-halfnote. Is there a better way of accomplishing this?
Hi! Welcome to the forum!
First thing I’d do is check out which kind of instrument are set up. If you need key signatures, go to Setup mode, and in the trumpet’s menu (next to the instrument name in the left column)>Change instrument>Trumpet in C WITH key signature. Rinse and repeat for the second one, that problem should be solved.
I’d need to see the file for your other problems.
I tried changing the instrument to “Trumpet is C (with key signature)”, but the result was the same. It is fine in other format, such as full score (without condensing), and parts. Once I undo the condensing, the key signatures comes back.
I tried it on your file, and
the trumpets do have a key signature change…
One thing that I don’t understand (a little OT but I thought it might be worth mentioning) is the language used for the instruments. It looks like a mix between Italian, French and English, but the title is in French… I don’t know it it’s on purpose.
The unwanted barline comes from the hidden time signature 2/4+2/4 added on the fourth beat of 17. Maybe you’d get the result you want with a [3+2+2]/4 at 17 and insert manually the dotted barlines with shift+B : (column) enter.
I’m kinda flabbergasted by the trombone condensing, I admit I don’t understand what’s happening there. I don’t understand neither why I see so many 8:2 tuplets on that exact bar on instruments that do not appear on the score… Oh, I just deleted all those tuplets and everything is nice L’OISEAU DE FEU Post.dorico (1.9 MB)
Thanks so much!
The issue with trumpets are that when they are condensed, the key signature disappears.
So from the file you attached, I went to layout option, under Players then Condensing, I deleted the trumpets and re-added “Tromba (D0) I, Tromba (Do) II” and when you look back at the score, they are condensed, and the key signature disappeared. May be this is some kind of a bug.
I still haven’t figured out what the issue is with the trombone either.
By the way, the tuples were part of my solution to figure out how to display the dotted bars as I wanted, but your solution is so much better! I will look into this today.
So, I looked closely into the carline issue.
There is still a part of barline that exist that I want to get rid of.
If you compare m. 77 and m. 78, may be this is more clear what I am trying to accomplish.
Thanks again for all your help!
Ok, for the barlines, I think the only way to have what you want is by using a hidden 3/4 + 2/4 + 2/4 time signature. But then you have to input a fake 7/4 (with system text, using MusGlyph or an simply Bravura with the new “input music symbols” feature), but you’ll need to make some room. Certainly not too complicated for a hack, but it was late yesterday.
I didn’t see that condensing the trumpets was getting rid of the key signature, there must be some bug (and unfortunately, there are several things in condensing that need some love from the Team).
Let me know how you’re doing about the barlines!
Independent key signatures won’t appear in condensed staves at the moment. Is it right that you want the atonal key signature to apply to only some instruments? If so, then unfortunately you’ll fall foul of this limitation at the moment.
Thank you so much. I ended up copy and pasting the graphics after exporting the score into pdf.
I still have not figured out why the divisi in trombones are indicated in such a weird way.
Also, if you have any suggestion about how to go about 7/8 measure issue, that would be great.
Thanks!
Did you intend the trombones to both be on the same stem? That should be possible using appropriately positioned condensing changes. (We’d have to have a Dorico file sample/excerpt to know how to help you with the condensing of this passage.)
I wanted the the trombones 1 to have up stem and trombone 2 to have down stem coming out from a single notehead. Somehow when they are condensed in this matter, tied sixteenth-dotted-eighth appear, and I can’t figure out how to get rid of it.
I realize this is an older post. I just ran into this missing independent condensed key signature issue - here’s hoping it gets bumped up on the dev list of things to do.
