Condensing dynamic question

[cccm]

I just condensed the saxes, trpts, and bones in a big band score so, for example, trpts 1 & 2 are on the same staff. It looks good except the cresc etc are now doubled with the crescendo marking and parenthesize with cresc. Here is screenshot from the score

and a zoom in on the trpts

and the alto 1 part at the same location

is there a global setting to get rid of the parenthesized markings. I can hide them in each part but not the condensed score. And a way to get rid of duplicate articulations.

Any ideas here?

[Christian_R]

Hi @cccm, for condensing issues you need to please upload your project for someone to be able to give advice without guessing.

(In your score you wrote crec. instead of cresc.)

[cccm]

Here is a dropbox link to the dorico file.

Dropbox

[asherber]

In your screenshot, and in the file, the only thing I see doubled is this set of markings, above the trombones:

And that’s because you actually have two of those markings attached to the first trombone. You can see this if you go to Galley view in Write mode, turn on signposts, and then unhide those markings.

If I delete one of those, I get this in the condensed score (Page view):

@cccm

is there a global setting to get rid of the parenthesized markings. I can hide them in each part but not the condensed score.

You can get hide the parenthesized “crec.” markings in the condensed score if you select them in Engrave mode and then toggle the Hidden property.

The visibility of some things needs to be set separately in uncondensed and condensed views. I think this is by design, because you may actually want different visibility in those contexts.

@cccm

And a way to get rid of duplicate articulations.

I don’t see duplicate articulations here – there are two sets of accents in the first trumpet staff because the notes are written with different stems, and each stem gets an accent. You could change this by adding a condensing change there to put the notes on single stems:

And then you get:

You probably want a reset condensing change in the next bar, so that you get the staggered entrances, and then maybe another change back to single stems when both trumpets are playing again.

[cccm]

I am pretty sure now this is an Atomic Horns issue. All of the dynamics etc in parentheses are Atomic Horn hidden techniques. I can delete these but I assume Atomic Horns will not play their techniques. These are in the Doricos playing techniques. I hide these. Here is uncondensed with the Atomic Horn techniques, and they are hidden.

and here is condensed and the hidden techniques are shown.

I will contact Straight Ahead Samples and bring this up to them.

[asherber]

@cccm

I am pretty sure now this is an Atomic Horns issue.

No, I think this is just how playing techniques work with condensed layouts. Here are two trumpet staves with a hidden (factory) mute playing technique.

And when I turn on condensing:

[Zalde]

@asherber is right: when you hide a playing technique in an uncondensed staff you have to hide it again in the condensed staff (in Engrave mode). It is by design as Daniel explains below.

hidden Playing Techniques text re-appears after score condensing

Yes, of course there is a reason behind it! Depending on exactly how the music ends up being condensed, you may need to the playing techniques from the source instruments to be shown or hidden differently from the source, uncondensed music. In general, many properties can be set independently between the condensed and uncondensed music. We know that users would like the ability to propagate properties from uncondensed to condensed music, and vice versa, but that is not currently possible.

[cccm]

yes hiding the dynamics etc in Engrave mode for condensed score did the trick. Thanks