Condensing issues + cannot not manually condense

Hi all,

I choose to condense the woodwinds and brass in the following way:

As soon as there’s a instrument change (i.e. trumpets to flugelhorns) the condensing rule doesn’t apply anymore, even on rests or homorhythmic parts:

When I try to apply manual condensing, in the window, I cannot activate the toggles:

Any solution?

Thanks!

Condensing only works for a player’s first instrument. So if a player holds a trumpet and a flugelhorn, only the trumpet will condense.

Thanks for the quick reply Estigy. Is there any way to condense the flugels at this point?

Do they change instrument right in the middle of a flow, or do they play trumpes in flow 1 and flugelhorn in flow 2?

In the middle of the flow

One can still try putting the trumpets in separate players from the flugelhorns and then combining each trumpet player into its own layout with the corresponding flugelhorn player. With the judicious management of system breaks and hidden staves, one can make each look like a single player on the part, and the trumpets and flugelhorns will condense when necessary.

Thank you Derrek, I’ll wait tomorrow hopefully for a more practical solution or support from the team or I will try this.

Honestly I don’t understand why an instrument change should stop condensing the parts…

I am sure that future plans are already in place to eliminate this exception, but the Team didn’t want to delay implementation of stage one until everything was possible.

Many aspects of Dorico have been planned for incremental improvement so that more areas of concerned can be addressed in some fashion for folks with different needs. The Team has come a long way and introduced some impressive capabilities into the program, so I look forward to what the future holds.

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I fear, Derrek’s solution indeed is the most practical way to go currently.
Of course an instrument change should not stop condensing, but that’s how things are at the moment. There is no “make all instruments condense” switch.

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Hot take: I don’t know how important playback is to you, but for the Trumpet/Flugel you could also add instrument change labels using staff text without actually changing the instrument. It’s obviously not ideal because that won’t affect staff labels (so in the full score you might want to repeat the Flugelhorn indication on every page) or playback, but it would at least circumvent the condensing issues.

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that’s what I’ve done actually. For flugelhorns is ok because they have the same transposition as the trumpets.

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