Constraining a gliss to a scale, and also across two staves (for harp)?

I’m trying to replicate the following for harp, a gliss from bass to treble clef:

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However it seems I’m unable to add a gliss across two staves, it just won’t let me. I realize I could manually draw a line which is fine for engraving, but I would also like to hear it played back if I could.

Secondly, how does one constrain the gliss to a scale (C maj in this case), rather than chromatic? It has come up again with this on piano, where it calls for gliss on the white keys:

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For this one on piano, because it’s on one staff I have been able to place the gliss marking and hear it played back, but it’s chromatic. I checked the inspector panels but saw no options to change this.

Thank you!

How are you entering the gliss? As far as I know, it should be as simple as selecting the two notes and then inputting a gliss. I normally use the right panel to do this for some reason.

There might be an option for the scale if you select the gliss and check it’s Properties in the lower zone.

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Glissandi are not very well supported in Dorico presently, in terms of playback that is. For example, you can’t do play back of continuous glissandi for strings. It’s my number one request. Many people have lots of requirements for gliss and I am sure the Dorico developers will attend to it all in the future. For now, it’s mostly a matter of living with the limitations.

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Just how you said - I selected the two notes and used the right panel to drag a gliss. It does work on a single staff, so I’m assuming it might be a limitation to not do it across a grand staff, sadly. *EDIT - I actually figured out that it has to do with them being on separate voices. I re-wrote the part on the same staff using the same voice, and then moved the first note to the bass clef – then I was able to add a gliss!

Otherwise regarding scale constraint, I checked the properties in all the inspector panels (lower zone) - there’s ‘scale’ related to the size of the element, but didn’t see anything relevant to a musical scale.

To select notes in different voices or on different staves (including a grand staff), click on one and then ctrl/cmd-click the second one. They should both be highlighted.
To add a gliss from one to the other, open the ornaments popover and enter gliss, glissstraight or glisswavy.

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That’s right. There is no such support for the gliss object.

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Noted. Thank you all for your help!

Do not drag the gliss; click on the gliss icon after you have selected the end notes.

To set a C major scale (harp glissandi are never chromatic, although one can alter tones of the scale), use the “Calculate Harp Pedals” in the Write Menu to create a harp diagram for a C major scale and place it just before the gliss.

While Andro is correct that aspects of the glissando tool are not complete for some instruments, such as strings, the tool is both complete and powerful for harp glissandi.

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FWIW I actually meant click, that was a poor choice of words on my part. I’ve done it before many times, just never across two staves. It seems the fix was to put them first into the same voice and then separate them onto staves - and clicking as I normally would it worked only after that point.

I’ll have a look at the harp pedals thing, thank you!

Hi @wing,

I’ve just tested if this actually works and it’s bad news for the non-believers:

I can ctrl+click an up-stem voice 1 note in the bass staff and a down-stem voice 1 note in the treble staff and either click the gliss ornament in the right zone, or enter the relevant text into the popover and the gliss appears fine.

Perhaps you could do the record-your-screen-while-you-do-stuff-thingy for us to see what might be happening?

Interestingly, when I have two separate voices across two staves, no method of clicking with or without modifier keys works (I tried ctrl+click, cmd+click, and variations as well). However if I write them within the same voice and staff, then move one of the notes down to the lower staff (‘m’ on my keyboard), then the click method works no problem.

That said, I tried the popover method and typing gliss works great regardless. So I guess I’ll stick with that method!