Conversion to triplet logic?

[christerdk]

I’ve watched the videos and read the manual, but the logic still seems to escape me: converting an existing quarter note into 8th triplet.

If I use the tuplet popover (3:2) while writing new notes, it’s as easy as I’d expect from Dorico:

Same if I take existing quarter note with nothing after, I can convert it to an 8th, press “;” for the popover and then enter (3:2) and I get the expect result and can fill the remaining positions with 8th notes, as expected (before / after):

However, if I try to achieve the first result above with an existing note in the middle of a phrase, by converting the second quarter note to 8th and then using the tuplet popover (3:2), I get a result like this:

My logical expectation would be to have an 8th note and two 8th note positions to fill, all within the span of a quarter note - and with no side-effects to the third quarter note. Is my expectation or approach incorrect or is there some toggle I need press first when converting a note in the middle of a phrase?

Thanks!

Dorico Elements 6.1.10

[asherber]

I think your expectation is incorrect. In both the second and third cases, Dorico creates the triplet by incorporating the next three available eighth note durations. It’s just that in the second case, there are only two eighth notes available, since the next bar has rests.

To get your third case to work, first select the third quarter note and press Shift+Alt/Opt+I, which activates the insert mode stop bar.

This tells Dorico not to mess with notes past the stop bar. Now you can select the second quarter, turn it into an 8th, and then create the triplet. Since Dorico can’t go past the stop bar, the result is:

Press Shift+Alt/Opt+I again to get rid of the stop bar.

[christerdk]

Ah ok. Yes, I had convinced myself that it was more a pure “split” operation instead of “pulling in” three next 8ths with potential content.

And now I learned about the stop bar. Thanks!