Hello,
There are a few topics on this but I can’t work it out, even from reading those plus the instructions.
I have a 4/4 bar with 3 beats of rests and two quavers.
Thank you!
Richard
In Dorico, rhythmic time is absolute so even if you delete or change the time signature, Dorico keeps all the beats you previously had. It looks like you’ve input the pick-up bar you want correctly, but what you need to do now is delete 3 beats at the start of your flow - Dorico won’t do that automatically because that’s not always what people would want.
A quick way to do that should be to select the first rest, press Shift-B to open the bars and barlines popover, and enter “-3q” (= “delete 3 quarter notes-worth of time”). The 3 rests/empty beats will be deleted, and your quavers will ‘move up’ to the start of the flow.
Thank you! That works.
I assumed that the time signature or the -3q were two separate ways of achieving the same thing.
Richard
If it helps, in Dorico I tend to think of the time signature as being like a cookie-cutter framework, that you press into/over the music to break it up into bars of the corresponding size; you always have the same amount of dough rolled out, you can just use differently sized cutters on it. Deleting or adding time signatures never changes the amount of actual music/beats you’ve got, or their positions relative to each other.
Tried this. It deletes the entire measure. All music shifted. Pick-up notes are on beat one, beat one notes moved over.
@Bert_Ligon you keep referencing old versions of the manual. Why?
If you do Help>Dorico Help your browser will open the correct manual for your installed version, and you can search there for ‘pick-up’.
How to enter a pick-up (efficiently) depends on what you are starting with and what you want the outcome to be.
Hey: Janus. WHY? I am searching from somewhere that indicates version 5. Searches often take me where they take me—I’m in no position to know. I did this, and it takes me exactly where I started before.
I think I have found some ways to do it.
. If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn’t need to search for help.
How many threads do you need to ask the same question?
To start where you started in this thread…
Put the caret in front of the first note and apply 4/4,1.
Then put the caret in front of the resulting first measure and use SHIFT + B to get rid of the empty first measure.
Well, Derek. How many threads cover the topic? I keep searching until I find a solution. If it’s not in one thread, my hope is that it will be at another.
Your solution works. I think others have suggested 2-3 more. I found another way that worked yesterday, but doesn’t work the same at all today. Maybe that’s why I keep searching other threads. If I knew the answers, I’d be here answering them for others, not asking.
Searching and reading multiple threads is great, but it’s better to keep your own question in one thread, so that the community doesn’t have to try answering it in different places.
To misquote Billy Joel: “I didn’t start the threads.” Clearly, multiple threads answer similar questions.
One thread has one set of answers, one thread another.
If there are answers on one thread that address something, I want to post in those threads to get continuity of answers related to that thread.
Clearly more than one. Several answers posted in different areas. Your solution seems to have been the solution with the fewest steps of about 5 different answers I could find. Thanks
Every enquirer is starting from a different place.
Create a pick-up:
Add to that some complication if there are subsequent time signature changes that might result in incomplete bars being created.
Add to that the importance of understanding how the various insert modes behave.
Add to that Dorico often has different routes to achieve the same end goal.
(I really would encourage you to take some time to experiment with all the different suggestions you have found and see how the program responds)
I have experimented with at least five methods. Thanks
Great. Has it helped your understanding?
