Au moins avec un exemple come celui-ci, je crois que c’est un peu trop difficile pour une programme numérique. Cette performance était vraiment “humaine” et variable. Peut être je me trompe, mais je n’y crois pas.
@Romanos
I think we misunderstood: the mp3 above:
- Human audio extract Chopin: Mazurka Op. 67 No. 2 - Alexej Gorlatch found on YouTube
- And Audio from midi track vsti piano
- And midi track with sampled voice count
like in this picture
It was to illustrate a tempo track quickly built (only beat) with Cubase before to export to Dorico: especially for the purpose of visual synchronization had I understood?!
Here only original human piano with visual vsti piano drived with midi and a tempo track:
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I’ve been exploring the Cubase solution and actually, I have a very good tempo track in Cubase. And I’ve been wasting sooooo much time trying to import it in Dorico. I tried to export the MIDI file from Cubase and import it back in Dorico, but so far with no luck. I also tried to import the Tempo track (from that same MIDI export), it simply erases every tempo marking I had on my score. Can anyone tell me what the workflow is, I’ve searched the forum for hours with no luck so far…
Hello Marc,
this is how i did it
1.Drag the midifile (A file)exported from Cubase to Dorico icon to open it and open go to Play → TIme to see the point
2. Open your dorico file(B file) where you want to put the new tempo and go to play → time to see the points
Now you have your two files open A and B
3.fall over (basculer dans le fichier A) in file A and select the points you want to copy : Ctrl C
4.Fall (basculer dans le fichier B) in file B and place the cursor (ligne verte verticale) where you want to copy the points and paste them ctrl V
Hope it works for you ( you really have to place the cursor to the right position to paste at the right place) sinon ils vont ailleurs
Un gif:
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The problem I run into is that I cannot export anything useful out of Cubase… While the midi I imported from Dorico was perfect! I can’t understand why it just does not work. I do File>Export>MIDI file. Everything is ticked (in Preferences>MIDI>Export)
That file in Dorico has one bar. The original file has 542 bars.
What kind of track do you have in cubase? Only the audio track?
Create an midi track
I remember that the first time I created the tempo track with only audio and save it as midi , the file was 1ko
I have imported my Dorico file as a midi file, added an audio track as the reference to create the tempo track, and a tempo track.
And I export a MIDI file, so I expected everything that’s MIDI to be exported. But… no.
Bizarre!
1.Vous avez exporter en midi depuis Dorico
2 importé ce fichier midi dans cubase, ajouté la piste audio, créé une tempo track et sauvegardé le tout en midi file
3. Draggué ce nouveau fichier midi sur l’icône Dorico et une fois ouvert il n’y a rien?
Vraiment bizarre et énervant!
Si c’est bien ça, je vous envoie demain une autre question… mais ça va marcher!!
Wow, really informative thread! It hadn’t occurred to me to do this before. I’ve been trying to follow along, but have been pretty unsuccessful with attempts to do this so far, LOL. @dan_kreider, which version of Melodyne are you using for this? I just have Melodyne Essential 5 (I think it came free with something) so am curious if it’s worth upgrading. I was at a record date a week ago where the pianist kept messing up a really hard exposed part and the engineer just miraculously fixed it in Pro Tools by changing some notes with Melodyne. I haven’t experimented with any level of Melodyne much, but was amazed with its capability in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing with it. I’m also using Pro Tools for a DAW. Has anyone tried doing this with Pro Tools using Beat Detective (or Melodyne) instead of Cubase? Just curious about other workflows.
I have Melodyne Editor. Melodyne is basically magic, wizardry, alchemy, etc. Really incredible stuff.
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I worked my way all the way up to ‘studio’ because I’ve found it so useful in my mock-up work. It is amazing.
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Success! Many user mistakes in Cubase (and I was just thinking about all these people that find Dorico not intuitive…ahem… — I have a lot of work to be fluent with THAT huge software), but I ended up importing my MIDI tempo track in Dorico. This whole experience makes me realize things are bound to be much better once the play mode is finished in Dorico, especially with the edition of tempo track directly in Dorico. Importing a tempo track involves deleting all prior tempi markings, which is not really what I want to do.
Great: you have finally succeeded!
But you say:
If you look closely at my gif, my tempo marks are inserted and everything before and after is maintained
Up to the latest work, I did it in Logic. Not that it is completely smooth, but it is easier to recreate an nearly-exact tempo map than in Dorico.
Lately, I’ve decided to try with not-so-accurate tempo maps, since the original recording is just a model, and not an obligation. I would change it anyway, depending on the feedback from the sampled sounds.
For this, it seems to work well enough, even if the lack of different curves is a real issue.
Paolo
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I agree. The result I’ve achieved in Dorico only is good enough, and doesn’t mess with the notation. But the process is long. Maybe it’s because I need more practice!
Imagine if you could simply record the tempo for a selection in Dorico. Options would include tapping/playing a fixed duration or the rhythm of the selection, hearing playback or not (it would follow the ‘conducting’), and the length of the preroll.
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Yes @tristis , spending too many hours on this project has shown me how right you are about this tap tempo thing. Hopefully there’s a solution coming!
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A temporary workaround may be this one:
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Load the original audio file in a Daw.
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Create a VI track.
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Start recording, and beat the tempo with the VI.
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Convert the VI track to audio, to create a ‘tap tempo’ track.
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Map tempo to the ‘tap tempo’ track.
It should be more precise than trying to find the beats in the original file,
Paolo
Yes, indeed. Actually what I did was a mix of this, of tristis’ method and some already baked in (in Dorico) tempo markings.
(google traduction from french)
Indeed, the best is to use each software for what it is best to do.
If it is to make didactic and visual material, do not forget that the human being focuses on and anticipates on what moves.
If we take post-production in the cinema and the invention of the “rhythmo tape” as an example, the actors hired to dub voices always follow the scrolling text and a vertical cursor in the middle tells them when to place the words: the human being anticipate ever more quickly on what is moving.
Maybe that’s why the terrible software that scrolls green notes up and down is so successful and effective in piano tutorials for beginners on YouTube:
Here are two quick examples with these two flavors
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- Cursor moves:
2.cursor static: