Create gap between bars in a system

Hi there,

I have tried to recreate the below screenshot (as I have done in Sibelius previously) and I simply can’t find a way to do it in Dorico 3. This is not the same as system break, or even splitting the same bar over two systems.

I would like to have a gap in between bars and be able to adjust the graphic width of the bar, which seems like something Dorico should be able to do.

Any thoughts?

Have you tried adding a coda and hiding the marker? In Engrave options you can adjust the gap.
Not sure if this is what you’re looking for.

That’s an ok way to split the bars how I would like, although I am left with the big bracket that groups all the instruments together (I would also like to do this in a full score).

Also, perhaps this is basic but I’m really struggling with changing bar width and therefore the gap in Engrave.

Further ideas on creating and editing the gap would be helpful! Thank you lafin :slight_smile:

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You can adjust it with the Note Spacing tool. Click the handle at the start of the bar and then move with Alt+Ctrl+arrow for larger movements, or just Alt+arrow for smaller.

Removing the group bracket in the score is an issue though. I’m not sure how to get around that.

Are these knocks playing with the rest of the ensemble, or are they disconnected in time from them (separately cued)?

If the latter, then using different flows for the knocks and combining them separately with the rest of the ensemble on a custom page (recommending one use a separate Page Template for this so it can be moved) would be my suggestion.

Hello @lafin, @FredGUnn and @Derrek. I’m so sorry for my (very) delayed response. I thought you might enjoy a progress update.

@lafin - I used the Coda → Hide option, which works ok, until I wanted to create a gap, continue on the same system and then for there to be nothing in the instruments that are tacet. In the first picture below, you can see four instruments in the first frame, then one of them plus a different instrument/group of players in the next frame. Had this all been in one frame, the C, R and T parts would be visible with empty bars below, which I don’t want as I only have use for the Full Score sheets when I lead this band.

@FredGUnn - Thank you for that, very useful. It’s long that I can’t just click and drag the box horizontally/vertically to its desired height/length, though. As it stands I spend what feels like an eternity with spamming my arrow keys when trying to reduce/increase bar width.

@Derrek - This project is a collection of the grooves and breaks that the drum section plays within a larger ensemble. No-one is reading as we play, so these notations are references when teaching/learning the parts. If it’s a groove that repeats, there are repeat marks, otherwise it’s a break that lasts for as long as its written duration, but could be cued at any time. So, to answer your question, yes, and no/yes.

One more thing: can anyone tell me the difference between ‘Move to Next System’ and ‘Create System Break’? I got all excited when I saw those features in Dorico 4, thinking my original prayers had been answered, but it just looks like hitting Shift+S, like before.

Many thanks and apologies again for the delay.

If you create a System Break and decide you should have created it one or two measures earlier or later, you could use Move to Next/Previous System to correct the positioning of the misplaced measures by moving just those measures to an earlier or later system.

Thus saving me the time of deleting the System Break and inputting a new one, in your scenario?

As I understand it:

  • Move to Previous System places the selected bar(s) at the end of the previous system, after all the other bars that are in that system. Kinda like what Make Into System does already, without having to select the previous system manually.

  • Move to Next System places the selected bar(s) in their own system, disjoined from the following music.

What I don’t understand is why this is the case. Either have it join the music on a different system or have it in its own system. Between all the various Graphic Editing options, it feels like a tautology of functions.