Cubase 13 - Any word on new update cycle?

They just changed the pictures and other content under the Cubase tab. Still shows Buy Cubase 12.

They added a new sale is what happened. And typically, they don’t do new releases during a sale. Sale ends on Monday May 1st, so perhaps Wednesday May 3rd we will see a new Cubase, but it’s also possible we will see a new something else - if I’m not mistaken, they still haven’t released a new Groove Agent under the new licensing. Could be that they update the entire product range before giving us a new Cubase, because right now, users of multiple products are scattered between using two forms of licensing and some users are probably even holding back on Cubase 12/1x before all their products are upgraded to new licensing.

We just got 12.0.60 a few weeks ago. Highly doubt they’re planning to roll out a new version any time soon. Do people actually do any work with it or just sit around and wait for it to be updated?

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Groove Agent 5 was one of the first things they ported over:

I saw some of this on the Mac working over the weekend on a track… I kept catching it out of the corner of my eye while doing other stuff, but I did see flickering in the arrangment/main window. I went into the settings and disabled Graphics Acceleration, applied the prefs, then reenabled and reapplied the prefs, haven’t seen it pop up again, fingers crossed that did the trick. Still not sure if it was Cubase or the Mac to blame but I’ll keep an eye out for it…

I’ve seen a few odd flickers on the latest MacOS that went away with the graphics acceleration. In fact, I’ve got several apps where if you enable the metal support they flicker, Apple clearly have work to do in this area.

Was yours similar to this?

These other artefacts were on my windows machine though, with an Nvidia card. Never seen it before and I use Cubase the most on Windows for past few years.

No artifacts here, just good old flickering. I was looking down at something (probably my phone or playing with one of the cats) and caught the mixer flashing real quick. Noticed it a couple more times throughout the day and your post instantly popped in my head thinking ‘Oh no not me now!!’ haha.

I wonder if the Metal version has something to do with it. About a year ago, there was talk of more machines getting left out of the upcoming OS’es due to lack of support for Metal 2. I have a 2018 Mac Mini with an eGPU connected to it, so I immediately ran out and replaced my RX570 with an RX5500 XT (and now an RX6600 XT) just to stay ahead of it. Could still be a Cubase thing though, I’m on this Mac pretty much most of my waking hours and haven’t seen it anywhere else except that day in Cubase.

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yes still on 11 here

Cubase 12 has been added to Splice as a monthly payment where you rent-to-own over a 34 month period.

So, I’d be surprised if C13 is anytime soon.

You may be right. But it could also be the case that Steinberg has been wanting to add that purchase option for V13 and decided there was no reason not to introduce it now for V12 customers. If they did that, there would surely be a provision that payments made toward V12 would transfer to V13. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense that V13 would be 35 months away.

It does seem peculiar that Steinberg did not address the question of what happens when they introduce a new paid version. That’s a rather obvious question. It would be foolish for anybody to commit to a 34-month payment plan that leaves you 2 major versions behind when you make your final payment.

No, but I think the new life cycles will be 24 months between versions, or perhaps that they will move to a 12 month style service agreement plan rather than paid-for updates.

At that point there is no rigid release schedule which can lead to a better development and bug fixes as you’re not racing time to get feature x to market.

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If they are thinking of anything along those lines, they’d better have a look at the mess that Waves created for themselves recently when they tried to force everybody onto a subscription basis. A riot ensued and Waves was forced to retreat, but probably lost many customers in the process.

Here’s the thing. I have accumulated a collection of Waves plug-ins over time – not a large number, but 6 or 8 that came in handy on certain projects. They were priced at a level that made sense. I really don’t use them very much because the capability built into Cubase and StudioOne covers most of that well. Nonetheless, I previously chose to upgrade the support plan every couple of years, “just to stay current”.

That’s one proposition. I made a choice without a gun to my head, and I was OK with that. It really had nothing to do with price. It was the proposition of free choice versus a gun to the head. But once Waves declared that you had to subscribe to the whole library or you were cut off, that’s a whole different proposition. And actually, their “offer” might not have been quite so brutal, but that’s how it sounded to the user base. Many of us looked at the various Waves plug-ins and said, “a) I barely use these. b) you haven’t made any appreciable improvements for years. Why should I start paying you monthly for a bunch of stuff I will probably never use.”

Some people are OK with subscriptions. A lot of us will fight to the death to avoid subscriptions. So Steinberg had better be careful. Good customers are hard to earn. It isn’t smart to anger them arbitrarily.

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A 12 month Update plan isn’t a subscription though, as you own a perpetual license - hence why I could see Steinberg going this route, as it then falls on them to maintain a product that people are happy to pay for across a 12 month period of updates.

I think they’ve always struggled with the annual sales drive whilst having the added pressure of bug fixes and maintaining the existing feature set. It’s too much to cycle through in a 12 month period, and this approach would help alleviate - which in turn could see a better maintained product.

But importantly it allows the 12 monthly payment cycle to continue for them.

That’s indeed even another marketing strategy …
As long as I feel free to choose out of all available offers, I am OK.
I mean I will ‘buy straight away a perpetual license’ as I dislike being attached to monthly or yearly obligations.
Of course, until now the Cubase maintenance updates were free …

Perpetual license with an annual support & update plan is something I prefer.
But in this approach support has to be top-notch, and my perception is that this isn’t Steinberg’s strong point.

Okay, but what are you willing to pay for then?
Just an honest question, in perspective of Cubase users.

No idea, honestly. I guess it depends on the quality of support, otherwise should stay as it is: you pay some reasonable sum for an annual upgrade and God help you if you need support.

I spent a lot of my professional life as a visual effects guy and I’m used to some software there (Houdini, specifically). The software in that field lives in very different price brackets.
You would spend 2000USD on a perpetual licence and then 1000USD / year for support and upgrades.
However,
They would have new builds each week with minor fixes and developments. Once in 2 monts there would be a milestone “Production build” that becomes the new bottom line build and so on.
When you submit a bug, you have access to a customer portal that lets you track the bug. Usually, if it’s not some huge thing, it’ll be solved in the next build (that is, a week or two). The whole customer support thing is stellar and I actually became friends with people in their team.

I have no idea if the customer base of Cubase / Nuendo can support something like this. For those needing it, should be worth 3-400USD/year (5-600 for Nuendo).

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I guess it all depends on the exact terms of the offer. Anything that comes across as a mandatory subscription is going to really anger a lot of customers, and I suggest no company can afford to do that in such a competitive market.

If I purchase a perpetual license for a particular version (and that is the only basis I’m willing to consider,) I expect bug fixes to be provided for free. I don’t expect functional enhancements for free, but I also don’t expect to be cut off from bug fixes if I don’t sign up for some support plan. Bugs are product defects and the company has a responsibility to fix those “under warranty” so to speak.

But those bug fixes cost money, and to bring that revenue in to pay staff you either go monthly sub, paid updates every year, or a maintenance update plan.

The problem of course is that monthly subs you don’t own the software, and paid updates each year means that you must add in new features as a sales push - and I think that’s had a negative effect on Cubase across the years.

This is why many companies have success with the 12 monthly update plan, as it’s not making you too rigid to meet sales schedules, and you still have the perpetual licensing. It’s also an incentive for the developer to better meet the needs of it’s users.

I get what you’re saying though, it’s very much eye of the beholder if anything like this did happen - and what the response may be.

The bug fixes should be priced into the original purchase. I realize some bugs are so structural that they can’t be fixed without a major update, which would be a paid thing. It is a simple model that has worked pretty well for 30+ years.

The only real point of subscriptions is to get more money out of customers. Personally, I would rather they just ask a higher price for the paid releases and be honest about it. At least in that case, I know what I am paying for. With subscriptions (or support plans or whatever name you want to give it) one has no idea what they will actually get for their money.