Cubase 13 Mix console Mono Stereo visibility icons gone?

Hi,

I’m sorry if you find any of my reactions mean. It might be a language barrier. English is not my first language.

Sorry, this is not about any visual impairment at all. This is just a feature, which has changed and you prefer the previous way of the feature. For me, I don’t care if the track is Stereo or Mono, so I don’t need this icon at all.

I didn’t say, you are not allowed to want this icon back. I said I cannot put it back. I explained, how the feature works in the current version. It’s not personal at all from my side.

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I completely understand , I’m being a bit hot headed as usual , please don’t take offence , it’s just change , i’m sure i’ll figure out another workflow because believe it or not i do like most of the improvements .
Sorry if i was coming across rude . C13 seems great bar a few opening day grumbles :wink:

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As always, Cubase polishing a T.
Changing the Look of the GUI without changing the horrid behaviors.
IOW, They move the headstones but don’t move the bodies…

and ftr, These sales people vids seem to be reading the same script… “Modern” …“Modern”…
NO… It isn’t. Especially the behaviour which is what really matters.

I can only imagine how someone w/ a visual impairment would get through this… :scream:

Somethings like this can be annoying , but it’s all subjective , the worst part is the fader caps outer edges look all blurred , horrid BUT over all the C13 seems a very stable update , 187 track C12 project loaded with no issues , just a couple of new release bugs

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Great to know…If it’s steady I’ll upgrade but IMO, there is nothing “modern” about that mix console.
That is the most basic af mixer I have ever witnessed in a “Modern” gui. :rofl:

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I know what your saying , it is a 21 century make over :joy: it’s not bad thou , it’s growing on me , no stability issues here .

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Hey i dont have visual impairment. But i see with my both eyes that the new fader caps looks blurry and shitty. Hate it yet.

If you don’t care, why get involved?

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Hi,

I mean in it the sense, this information is not important in my own projects, for my workflow.

I just expressed my own experience and workflow.

Because I care (and I’m curious) about the experience and workflow of other users.

Fair enough. It just seemed to be getting unnecessarily heated.

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I’m sorry Martin, but this behaviour is a bit stupid if you ask me. The channel width needed to show the BUTTON - not simply an icon anymore - is really large, I doubt many people work with that width in common track counts. It is a function of the mixer, it should have precedence over the track type icon, for example, and stay visible no matter the track width.

I felt this too. Went to look for the button, saw it wasn’t there, looked for it in prefs, didn’t find it, changed track width and though to myself “Well then I’m never using thing damned button.”

You can have track type information on fader caps colours already, the stereo/mono button should take its place when the channels are thin.

Edit: apart from the panners and buttons not scaling with the mixer, which is absolutely fantastic in my opinion, I have to admit that the mixer generally took a turn for the worse. It is much less readable and it is unpleasant to look at now. I’d even risk saying that this is something that can be proved to be technically true considering by design principles and good practices.

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Hi,

Just out of my curiosity, why do you need to know, if the track is Mono or Stereo, please?

Is it because of using dedicated stereo plug-ins (like ping-pong delay)?

Well, there are several plugins that have mono and stereo versions, so you must choose which one you will use.

But more important is that this is not simply an icon to inform you of a track’s configuration, but a button, it has function, it shouldn’t be hidden for those who need slim tracks in their mixers. There are several plugins that are stereo by nature, so If you have a mono track that you want to use a stereo plugin on, must change its configuration. That’s why Steinberg put it there in the first place.

For example, I usually work with the thinnest channels possible, with 40 tracks on my screen. I need nine, I repeat, nine clicks before I see the channel configuration button, then nine more to return to how it was before. Do you think that’s reasonable?

Hi,

Do you see the stereo plug-ins, if you open the list of plug-ins on the Mono track? I think only Mono plug-ins are listed. Or am I wrong?

Do you really need to have this function available all the time? Do you switch it so often? Or is it OK, if you have to Zoom In a bit (or switch to the Project window), if you want to call the function once in a while?

Again, just courisous. Thank you for your input!

I don’t know if there’s a pref for that, but for me here all plugins are listed, no matter the track’s configuration.

I have to agree that it is not very often that I use this feature, you have a point.

Aaaand I have just seen this button on the project screen. I looked for it in the inspector and all the menus, but not in the project screen :woozy_face:

But anyways, I believe since it is a button it should have precedence over a symbol - specially one that has its information redundant in the fader caps!

Thank you!

Hi @henrique_staino ,

Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

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Personally the Mono/Stereo icon I find very important. I generally record Vocals and Dry Guitars in mono, but invariably use stereo plugins, particularly for guitars (Guitar Rig, Amplitube etc).

(BTW The new option of switching channels to stereo from mono has been possibly my biggest workflow benefit from the jump to C13).

On a graphically busy project the mono/stereo icon is another visual prompt and reminder for me to ensure I’m getting the best out of the plugins being used.

It stands to reason that the more channels you view in the mixer, some information has to be sacrificed, but that is one of the icons I’d prefer to see retained.

I guess everyone will have different priorities and different pieces of information they want in easy reach, so Steinberg have a thankless job in trying to keep everyone sweet on this subject.

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Yes, I need it all the time too, especially when I’m trying different routings, groups, panning strategies. Apart from the basic requirement of converting stereo to mono and saving 50% per file.

The actual icon is tiny in comparison with the button and even at minimum zoom there is more than enough room.

All Waves plugins are not M/S interchangeable. You have to use either mono or stereo. If you use by mistake mono plugin on a stereo track it will mess up the balance towards the left channel.
It’s very annoying and some of us have a lot of Waves plugins.
I know, it’s Waves fault, but until they change it (most likely never because they only care about ProTools compatibility) mismatching their plugins on M/S channels in Cubase is a real PITA and can add unnecessary work time.

Ps. I just wanted to show one example when it matters. I mix mainly in an arrangement view where I can see M/S icon all t he time.

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Hi,

Thank you for your view.

From this, I understand it shows the “S” plug-ins on the Mono track and the “M” plug-ins on the Stereo tracks, right?