After watching Club Cubase video of Cubase 15 Walkthrough, it was mentioned that there is integration of articulations between the score editor & expression map. The trumpet XXL in Halion Sonic was used as an example, by selecting the new jazz articulations in the score and placing on the notation it also played the articulation. I tested this and it works for that example but not on all the Attribute articulations. Please see below examples for Violins 1 Iconica Sketch.
Choosing the Tremolo in the editor (pic 1) puts a Staccato notation in the score editor (pic 2). Also, If you delete the Staccato and put in the Tremolo for notation in the score editor, it deletes the expression map articulation in the midi editor.
I am finding this confusing. I am using Win 11, 64gb ram laptop. With Attribute articulations it seems to only work for the few examples on the video and for Staccato, but not for other Attribute articulations. It also is putting just the Staccato notation in the score editor for most other Attribute articulations, ie Marcato, etc. Is anyone else having this issue?
Yes.. For the staccato dot showing up, it is possible to have attributes assigned to a note that can’t actually be shown in the lane since multiple attributes are possible. But staccato and tremolo are in the same mutual exclusion group so they can’t happen simultaneously in terms of the expression map (although both could be assigned to the note from a notation standpoint) and the tremolo entry would probably replace that and that’s why you don’t see both in the lanes.
The tremolo not appearing in the score editor is a separate issue though and I can confirm that (I already noticed it before your post).
Appreciate you confirming that articulations like tremolo etc are not showing up in the score, instead the attribute articulation shows as a staccato but plays the tremolo as per the expression map lanes.
Oddly though if Staccato is entered in the lane it will show as a staccato and vice versa, entering staccato in the score will show up and play as staccato. For many other attribute articulations it is not the case.
I hope Steinberg can get this fixed in the next maintenance update. Overall, really enjoying the new expression maps.
I don’t think it is that the tremolo is appearing as staccato - you probably have both a tremolo and staccato assigned to that note and both should be appearing in the score, but only the staccato is.
I have only one articulation the tremolo assign to the note as per pic below, but it is showing in the score as a staccato instead of a tremolo. Just using the iconica sketch, I don’t think you can assign two articulations at once with this library (well at least I have never tried.)
Just because only one shows up in the lanes doesn’t mean there’s only one assigned to the note. It is possible for the note data to contain multiple attribute articulations in actuality - but the lanes can’t necessarily properly reflect this because the groups act as mutual exclusion groups, meaning it doesn’t support showing lane entries for staccato and tremolo simultaneously, even though the note itself could very well contain the articulation data for both simultaneously.
You can check this in the List Editor in the MIDI menu - I believe it should show you all attribute articulations that the note has, if it has more than one.
I think this is correct. Also I think we may have added a warning triangle or some other indication if you have an articulation that can’t be mapped for some reason. If this doesn’t explain your problem then please attach a minimal example so we can take a look at it.
The midi event in yellow was entered via score editor. The midi event in pink was entered via midi keyboard (keyswitching). It doesn’t make any difference, still showing incorrect notation.
I looked in the midi list editor. Attribute articulations are not showing, but Direction articulations are.
I left latch mode off in expression maps to play articulations due to the latch mode issue.
Anyway I confirmed that it is the tremolo symbol that is creating the staccato dot for some reason, if there was also a staccato dot it would be there in next to the tremolo that I’ve circled in red. When I had tried this it just didn’t show the tremolo, but I think the underlying cause is probably the same as when I came across this problem.
Have you tried again with the latest 15.0.10 update? There were fixes to do with articulations of type attribute in the expression map not showing up properly in the score editor. That was the exact problem that this thread was for.
So I just tried in your file and was able to get it to work. It seems it doesn’t work if you manually create a harmonics articulation and choose the symbol, but if instead you choose the built-in one in the preconfigured list and use that, the harmonics circle displays over the notes.
That’s where you use groups. Sul pont tremolo is really “Sul pont” and “tremolo” combined, so you define a sound slot that has both “sul pont” and “tremolo” together, and make sure that sul pont and tremolo are in different groups.
Same idea for sul pont tremolo con sord, it is really “sul pont” and “tremolo” and “con sord” together, so you need to make a sound slot that has three articulations in it (holding down CTRL/CMD to do a multi-select) and make sure that all three are in different groups.
To make the multi-select process easier, you can type into the search box (shown in the top of the screenshot in my previous post) the names of the articulations (or part of the names) separated by vertical bar/pipe symbol |.
Ex: sord | trem | pont
That will filter the articulations shown in the list so that the three articulations are closer to each other in a smaller list, making it easier to do the CTRL/CMD select.
Finally ! I find the light of the end of the tunnel
Even my adapted brushed spicc and Brushed spicc Con sordino didn’t appears on the score,
there is now the sounds applying the way i want using 3 distinct groups i have to trick with the last group to add a “senza sordino” to stops the sordina effect.
