Thanks for the advice guys 
the envelope method in the pitch shifter seems to be what im after, i guess i can really mess with things by drawing in envelopes… its such a complex program its easy to miss whats right in front of you 
Thanks for the advice guys the envelope method in the pitch shifter seems to be what im after, i guess i can really mess with things by drawing in envelopes… its such a complex program its easy to miss whats right in front of you