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If I can talk for personal experience (as I mentioned several times in these forums I work as programmer in a AAA game company)
You forgot the memory management, the audio system that works differently in the various OS, the support for Linux plugins that are not VST, all the code #defines that you need to add and that make code more unreadable and difficult to maintan, the inevitable creation of new bugs and workarounds to support stuff that before was not there, the support for the dongle, hire knowledgeable programmers that are able to code for Linux, it might even take an entire different team to do the porting and yeah you are right also the GUI is a problem.
Again for personal experience the wider the support for different platforms becomes the more massive and monolithic is the code, code with no errors is âno code at allâ, you do not find more bugs adding more code, you create new bugs and subtleties that makes you spend more time debugging and slowing you down in developing other features.
We develop games for all the major consoles, and please believe me, on a project with 250 persons I have never heard anyone of them saying âwow thanks to the XBox I have found a memory leak on PS4â.
âmaking devices with âcancerââ I profoundly dislike this expression and belive you can do a better job in formulating it, in fact I do not understand the meaning of the whole phrase, I get that you you are generalizing something about Microsoft talking about devices that seem to be phones, which makes me even more puzzled cause the topic is Cubase for Linux and not mobiles applicationsâŚ
⌠who also called the concept of an open-source Linux kernel, i.e. the idea that one might actually control oneâs own computer, âcommunismâ. Interestingly, considering most computers (i.e. so-called âsmartphonesâ) are now controlled by people other than their nominal owners, it would appear the Stever Ballmerâs view has prevailed.
they are not able to release an update of 10.5 for 20H2 so you have to get off the cloud and stop dreaming that they will make a cubase version for linux even if that would have been great
It is very interesting that when a userâs wish is formulated here (Cubase for Linux), so many âknowingâ clarifications are offered by other users that this is an unrealistic wish - and why this is the case.
The wish to fly to the moon was also once unrealistic. If one had followed those who had declared Mr Kennedy to be insaneâŚ
I think that the task of a user forum is not to say what is NOT possible. It is Steinbergâs job to make it possible. As a user, I donât care how (I donât have to know how the carburettor in my car worksâŚ).
Besides, I find the arguments in favour of Linux quite understandable.
Needless to say:
yes, I too would like to have Cubase on a Linux computer. Why? Because I want it. And I would also pay for it (as I do now).
i love linux and i have to use windows just to be able to use cubase. . . afterwards, you really shouldnât dream because steinberg doesnât think about users but rather thinks about how to touch their wallet. I find it ugly to delay the users of 10.5.20 which was released in May 2020 and not explain the compatibility with the update 20H2
A man goes to a hotel and asks for the prices of the rooms:
â100$ with view on a wallâ responds the concierge.
âI see, and how much is it with a panoramic view?â asks again the man
â480.000$, Sirâ
âWhat? 100$ with 480.000$???â asks the man - âWhy is that huge difference?â
And the concierge - âBecause to show the panorama to you we have to take down the building in frontâ
To be super clear I have nothing against Linux and I would be happy (for you) if there was a supported version for your favorite OS.
In my âknowing clarificationsâ I was trying to have an adult conversation to tell that dad Steinberg itâs not mean because doesnât want to grant your wish, I was just objectively explaining, giving real world observations and a tiny bit of experience in the field, what could be the possible reasons why there is still no Linux version, why it is so complicated and why maybe the cost to make it doesnât give enough return of investment to the company in order to grant your wish.
I was not saying it is impossible, just reflecting on why perhaps you do not have it yet and yeah as a user I know you do not care how is it done, but on the other side a software developer (or a business man) doesnât care how much you want it if it is not profitable to make it.
You can still wish that you car can fly but if no one comes with the technical skills to make it so that your âcarburettorâ defeats the gravity you will end up frustrated because despite how much you wish it, with all yourself, that car will never move up the ground so, better to know why rather than harbor false expectations.
this is what i was saying, steinberg is not interested in users but in their money. See blackmagic, why can they make a version of resolve for linux? And there are other examples
Yes but look that the ROI (Return of Investments) that I was mentioning in my post is the DNA of every person that sells anything.
If you buy a cake and you pay 5$ itâs not because the person who made it is an angel but because the ingredients were cheaper. Who would give you something that costs so much to produce at a lower price?
But even yourself or myself letâs say we want to resell our studio speakers: would we sell them for few bucks if they are a good pair of speakers, perfect conditions and costed a lot? No. But this doesnât make us âjust interested in moneyâ, donât you think?
I am not trying to defend anyone in this topic not Steinberg not the users I am observing that perhaps there are not so many Linux users that convince Steinberg to make a dedicated version for that OS.
I was trying to explain (and I think I did it with real computer language examples and not using abstract words) that is a super complicated thing to replicate on Linux a software that is already so big and so mature and so old.
Ppl often has no idea how much complex is programming and thinks that you put a button here a checkbox there and the feature is done.
I am confident that you are familiar with Audacity, compared to Cubase it is like a tiny project, has like a fraction of the features and complexity that Cubase has.
Well you can browse the source code for it.
Hereâs the link, check in the src folder and see how many files there are in there and whatâs their content and tell me just by judging by the amount of things you see if it is easy or not to convert and test the whole program from scratch on completely different operating system.
I do not want to argue or discuss with anyone in here I want just that ppl realizes that there is no magic wand or tooth fairy that from one day to the other can do such amount of work only because âyou know, computers can do thatâ.
It is not impossible but perhaps would cost millions and perhaps after is out finished people would not even buy it because they are already settled on Win or Mac (that letâs be honest are the vast majority of the system where any audio production is done).
In any case since no one of Steinberg is stepping in to confirm or deny anything this is my last post on this topic because I donât know how to explain better than this:
I would like to have a Linux version but I understand (because my real life job is to be a programmer) that this requests costs literally millions of euros to the company and since the number of Linux users is a very low percentage this operation would be very risky.
People are using as DAW. Still not for everyone. Someone will make the application that are good enough. The OS is superior. And when then happen it will very hard for Steinberg and Avid to jump on that boat. Reaper and Bitwig are already there on some beta stage. Mixbus is âliveâ. We wont get cubase until we have moved to one of themâŚ
when do you realize that it is just user money that steinberg is interested in ?! Why Blackmagic (itâs not a stupid company and there are others) can make the win, mac and lin version of its davinci resolve and which works much faster under linux than under windows and on which have spent a lot of adobe PR and AF user because the one if he can do almost anything. They also offer a slightly restricted version of their software for free! Then do you know Blender 3D? do you still need a comment? Steinberg is not able to comment on the 20H2 and the compatibility with 10.5.20 and it is because they want us to buy the cubase 11. Itâs very ugly, if I had known that at the time the purchase of cubase I would have looked for another software.
Sure they want our money. I give then that. But I have no big regrets to move to something else, at least give it a try. However I think it much harder to give up the instrument plugins that I use. Some vendors already do linux versions. Like waves, and they use the same plugins binaries on their accelerators. (SoundGrid and StageGrid that are linux machines)
Others like Native Instruments have huge problems to maintain their products, I think they are about 500 persons so they do most likely send power-point to each other rather than doing code work. Thinks change. Todays youngsters are have seen other things than microsoft. Within EU there was a 9.4 millions chromebooks sold in 2020. 44.3 millions tablets. (Apple has 34%) so that is 29 millions, mostly Linux/Android. You can like it or not, but if they want to sell software they need to make for the devices people buy.
Absolutely, but many old companies with a lot of old customers also have difficult to understand how hard it is to get new customers. it might be cheaper to do everything to not lose the old onesâŚ
Most of the tech giants uses a lot of Linux desktops, except Apple. However it is mostly in software engineering. On many companies this causes a lot of conflicts and friction where they have a IT strategy to âstandardiseâ on Microsoft products. For many companies it also make sense, but if those that are in tech industry it very much a Baghdad Bob strategy.
Linux is almost a miracle built by shared interest and altruistic contributions. There is a lot of beauty in it and it has become mature enough to be used in certain cases but one of its major flaws is the lack of appreciation of some of its users for the effort that lies behind its achievements. These users think that by stubbornly insisting, they will convince developers to work for them for free, because they just deserve it and money is an unnecessary evil thing that corrupts the entire world.
Unsurprisingly most of them have a young age and not many responsibilities in their lives. While the world is not perfect, as of now, most of us have to pay rent or a mortgage to survive.
In NASA and engineering circles this is obviously not a problem because most of them are developers themselves.
yes, thereâs very few with a story like that. CraigsList, AutoHotkey, Blender
Linux is definitely becoming more viable, with Windows going full on âuser experienceâ more the way of Apple, rather than rudimentary engineering platform⌠which was inevitable.
My understanding is that Apple operating systems are basically GNU\Linux in an optimized and perverted form that is configured to run proprietary software and codecs.
Regarding the question âWhat do GNU\Linux users use?â - Well, some GNU\Linux users run supercomputers!!! Do a Wikipedia search on Top 500 some day and look at what the top 10 conventional (non-quantum) supercomputers of the world run.
Microsoft does some things right, but their OS does a lot of really weird, unexplained and unnecessary garbage. For example, my hard drive frequently churns without good reason in Win 10, but that rarely happens in GNU\Linux. Iâve also had issues with Audio and Video not lining up correctly in a certain Win 10 video editing program but didnât have the problem with KDENLive for GNU\Linux. There are even more Win 10 issues I wonât even get into hereâŚ
Also, after Build 1809 of Win 10, Microsoft effectively trashed my EMU1212M. The card still works in modern builds of GNU\Linux like Debian 11, but itâs very difficult to get the card to work in Win 10 after build 1809 without employing a Russian driver hack that seems to have minor side effects. The stock EMU drivers will no longer work for 1212M in Win 10 versions after 1809.
So GNU\Linux is a great OS but guess what? Ardour (even though it looks cool) doesnât seem to come close to Cubase 10.5. Maybe someday I will do something halfway decent in Ardour, but Cubase 10.5 just seems more straightforward to me. Unfortunately, I canât run my 1212M in Win 10 without employing that crazy hack I mentioned. You might be wondering why I donât just get a more modern audio interface. Well, I did get one used off eBay but it isnât anywhere near as awesome as my 1212M was even if I didnât have the breakout box. My ânewâ audio interface is pretty limited on numerous fronts and itâs a bit on the flaky side. My 1212M was also bought off eBay used I think more than a decade ago and itâs still rock solid!!!
Microsoft is really starting to irritate me. They are forcing me to spend a few hundred dollars on a basically worthless Trusted Platform Module just so I can âofficiallyâ run Win 11 without a registry hack. TPMs do have some value, but donât think they canât be hackedâŚ
BTW: My biggest beef with GNU\Linux is that it names its background drivers daemons. I wish Stallman and Torvalds would rename these background drivers to something more politically correct. The Git team got rid of the Master branch and I think named it to Main. Why canât we rename GNU\Linux background drivers from âDaemonsâ to something more friendly like âServicesâ?.
