No, Presonus Studio One’s “Z” mode is dual buffer mode, it doesn’t disable high latency effects, it just creates second near-zero latency signal path for monitoring tracks and effects.
Cubase’s direct monitoring mode doesn’t let you monitor income audio with effects inside of cubase
I feel like those voters are not Cubase users. Video Export? wtf, chord detection? lol waht? Really disappointed. No wonder why most of the people doesn’t grow higher than home recording studio. Total ignorance.
Both of you are incorrect 
. The S1 Z button turns off latent plugins in the selected signal path. This eliminates latency due to plugins above the specified threshold. The “Z” label on the button is an unfortunate legacy of that feature incorrectly being named “zero latency monitoring” in an earlier version of S1. It is basically the same as the CDC button in Cubase.
Anyway, the important point is: there is no “new feature” being requested here that isn’t already in Cubase.
Or, perhaps they’re just different to you? …Failure to accept awareness of another persons needs is seen as ignorance also.
Logic’s Low Latency Mode is exactly the same, and they all have thresholds as to the max latency allowed.
Big difference with Logic and Cubase that i’ve found is that you can manually turn off plugins in Cubase, in Logic you can only manually bypass them (So they’re still adding latency) unless you use Low Latency Mode and apply it’s threshold.
What about more GUI speed optimisations, that has not yet been finished.
Polyphonic Audio and Midi Editing would be a real improvement and help to me.
Well listening to forum posters will not help Cubase get out of specific niche, that most of local people represents. Go check some metapop.com competition and you will see how popular Cubase is among beginners. 1 out of 100. I wonder if Cubase userbase even grow.
I see 80% of top requests as way to make life easier, lazy tricks for lazy dudes, just to make you feel better, click less. But non on them actually will help you produce better music\do advanced sound design (For example this functionality is totally underdeveloped in Cubase, does anybody asked to fix this? Almost no one, because coloring mixer is more impotent, while nowadays’ production is all about tone). Easy way to get to the VSTi tweak knobs? Create tweak macroses? No, give us Chord Detection, because we are deaf.
What I think will make production better:
16 Modulators like LFOs for all parameters
35 Slicing in Sampler Track
36 Track Header with Volume, Pan, Inserts & Sends
45 Multi quick control
digging the rates?
Does it not therefore make sense that there’s many more users looking towards DAWs for editing their gaming/blogging/youtube videos and they feel that Cubase doesn’t offer them that - so advancement in this area is a GOOD thing? Just because YOU don’t require it does not mean everyone else who does are either ignorant and/or not cubase users - what a silly, insular comment to make.
I see 80% of top requests as way to make life easier, lazy tricks for lazy dudes, just to make you feel better, click less. But non on them actually will help you produce better music
“In your opinion” of course.
In regards to chord detection, this is an important way for a producer to breakdown a performance played in the studio and to work with the vocalist based on the results of that in regards to vocal phrases, work out structured vocal harmonies, engage more life into Bass parts and review other instrumental elements of the song.
If you don’t class composition and performance as a part of producing better music then you’ve got the whole thing the wrong way round.
What I think will make production better snip:
It’s funny, you know, how you call others ignorant and call them out for wanting to make their life easier, then you present a list of items that do exactly nothing more than helps laziness - all of those items can be simply achieved manually.
Just think in future before calling people ignorant, it’s incredibly rude. This vote was a community thing, why hate on it? It’s just sad.
I love the direction you guys are going in! I would love to see an update to Loopmash!!
Another thing that should be expanded on is the chord detection feature. The feature should detect the chords of a song turn the results to audio and be precise enough to pick an instrument closes to the original audio!
Anybody who could do that would be rich in a jiffy, so the conclusion is nobody wants to be rich anymore …
Mate, do you really not understand what low user base means? Every year 100$ payment for an update that feels more like subscription is foreign to you? Printscreen my prediction: People that don’t use Cubase won’t recommend it to their friends (Cubase has drastically low popularity in my country, I see nobody using it in every Music Related video). Also there are no video tutorials and public discussion about Cubase on YouTube. Big sounddesign youtubers don’t make famous\featured sounds in it. Modern music is all about sound design. Cubase fails in this area hard. No one knows it and nobody use it => no one buys it. And things will become worse with time. Yamaha needs to pay their shareholders, Steinberg rises prices, creates more products, spreads its focus. Cubase becomes even more niche tool of hi-end studios for movie\games production. They ask more movie\game\workflow features. Cubase gets even more behind. Average people like me becomes kicked out because of other, more versatile DAWs, has more sound design features to offer. And my lifetime investment into studying Cubase gets flushed into the toilet. I don’t want this to happen, and I will struggle so Steinberg made Cubase competitive again. By saying Cubase should not listen to the community voting but tracking-down what others DAWs do.
“Just because YOU don’t require it does not mean everyone else who does are either ignorant and/or not cubase users” - I have my subjective opinion on what is important and what in not. You don’t need to be guru of Cubase but to try others DAWs to understand what’s importent and what’s not. How comes Ableton \ FL Studio \ Bitwig \ almost free Reaper \ Studio One has better basic functionality for sound design than 15 years old expensive Cubase? Before Retrologue, it didn’t even have any “basic” synth. After installing Cubase, by default you go and download some free oscilloscope, fader and plain low cut \ hi cut filters. Because make simple filter is too easy, let’s make a DJ one and a Dual. Virgin Zones automation concept is a dead-born baby.
Aren’t you describing the work of a good composer, which is not gonna be replaced and made more easy with some automatic-whatever word go next thing?
Describe me how to move this three parametric dots with one MIDI controller fader\rotary.
3, 2, 1, go…
And then after you messed with generic remote for half an hour, maybe you know how to make the dots move based on midi keys presses and some envelope you can edit? So the moving was responsible to some ADSR envelope on key press? Huh?
Maybe you know how to make the default delays’ feedback to shut up after transport stop?
Good enough for a feature request est est est … … …
Should probably have been done years ago but it’s still echoing!
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Steinberg engage with their community via youtube massively compared to other DAWs, who else puts out live hangouts with Q&A sections that run for 2-3 hours? …Not that this has any relevance to you slandering people as ‘Total Ignorance’.
Modern music is all about sound design. Cubase fails in this area hard.
Along with film/tv/game/media composing, rock, jazz, funk, punk, folk, classical, country, reggae, metal, acoustic, blues, instrumentals, orchestral etc.
…Not that this has any relevance to you slandering people as ‘Total Ignorance’.
No one knows it and nobody use it => no one buys it. And things will become worse with time. Yamaha needs to pay their shareholders, Steinberg rises prices, creates more products, spreads its focus. Cubase becomes even more niche tool of hi-end studios for movie\games production. They ask more movie\game\workflow features. Cubase gets even more behind. Average people like me becomes kicked out because of other, more versatile DAWs,
“No-one knows Cubase, nobody uses Cubase, and no-one buys it”. o…k… Not a clue what we’re all doing here then(?).
Are the following recent advancements moving Cubase into this niche movie/games production tool that you are prophesying?
ARA, VariAudio 3, MPE Support, AAF support, UI Zones, More Inserts, Audio Alignment, Updated Channel Strip, Offline Processing, New Instrument Contents, Automation curves, Mix console snapshots and history, 64-Bit mixing, Easy Side-chaining?
…Not that this has any relevance to you slandering people as ‘Total Ignorance’.
I have my subjective opinion on what is important and what in not.
…and anything outside your ‘subjective opinion’ is ‘total ignorance’, right?
How comes Ableton \ FL Studio \ Bitwig \ almost free Reaper \ Studio One has better basic functionality for sound design than 15 years old expensive Cubase?
Ableton, FL and Bitwig are all designed to be capable live performance tools, and ease of sound design and getting ideas down quick is their primary goal. Completely different concepts vs linear DAWs such as Cubase/Logic etc.
REAPER relies on it’s open source style community to support the product, and as profit is not their primary concern they designed the product to be as open ended and customisable as possible, that also comes with some major downfalls where Cubase is strong. If i left you with a machine running vanilla install of REAPER and a vanilla install of Cubase Pro i can guarantee that Cubase ships with a FAR stronger suite of tools for sound design.
Before Retrologue, it didn’t even have any “basic” synth.
And REAPER does? lol …how about Prologue, A1, Padshop, Monologue and Embracer? …And to think that you talk about others ignorance.
You do understand Steinbergs invention of VST and later VSTi’s right? And their subsequent importance in creating what we use today? ‘Basic’ synths are what they provided to the world in a universal format.
…‘Total Ignorance’ eh?
Aren’t you describing the work of a good composer, which is not gonna be replaced and made more easy with some automatic-whatever word go next thing?
I’m describing the work of a good composer which is being put into the hands of many, yes. Whilst you want to create beeps and noises that many wouldn’t class as ‘real’ music, others want to progress themselves as songwriters bringing more theory into their workflow and understanding the core concepts of their compositions and improving on them… That may be too much for you to comprehend though, so let’s just call say all those people have ‘total ignorance’, yes?
Describe me how to move this three parametric dots with one MIDI controller fader\rotary.
If you know what you want, Just automate it, easy - done!
If you haven’t a clue what you’re doing and just want to randomly try things then MIDI loopback so that one CC spits out multiple CC’s and map via remote/quick controls.
…Not that this has any relevance to you slandering people as ‘Total Ignorance’.
And then after you messed with generic remote for half an hour, maybe you know how to make the dots move based on midi keys presses and some envelope you can edit? So the moving was responsible to some ADSR envelope on key press? Huh?
‘Half hour’ to press learn and move a control? Lol… You’re joking, right?
And yes, to do what you want input transform and/or loopback, simple.
But maybe you want an easier approach, or rather in your words “lazy tricks for lazy dudes, just to make you feel better, click less. But non on them actually will help you produce better music”… Moving 3 ‘dots’ with one MIDI control, of course produces better music - right? Anyone who doesn’t display ‘total ignorance’ knows that of course! I only listen to music that has 3 dots that move by a single MIDI rotary, i don’t care for composition, chord structures or harmonies, that’s far too ‘niche’ for me Waves fist towards Steinberg grrrr! 
Maybe you know how to make the default delays’ feedback to shut up after transport stop?
Yeah turn down my faders, just as every guitarists does with their guitar, amp or exp pedal. …Or as every modular synth/external fx user does. You’d probably complain if it did stop short if it was the other way round, as the very concept of sound design is allowing plugins to allow the signal to flow through and you sculpt it, this is exactly how ‘happy’ mistakes occur, and is reacting just as outboard would.
…you do realise this is a Linear DAW and not a live performance tool, right? You also realise that what you want is all achievable/more suitable using plugins such as MUX Modulator, PdVST, or Reaktor? Or in the EQ case something like free like MComb.
Have you even used all the MIDI inserts available, such as Apache, Modifiers, Transformers, StepDesigner, Chorder, Auto LFO etc?
Cubase is a platform that allows you to host whatever tools you want inside, and is fully MIDI and plugin compliant based on Steinbergs own tech. You can achieve -anything- with a bit of thought, but it’s easier to be lazy and complain while calling everyone else ‘ignorant’ isn’t it.
I’m done on this matter now, i’ve said all i wanted.
First of all I think I do have the right to call people ignorant based on decisions they do. There actually exists not smart decision making and based on that I can sort out people and declare my conclusions. You can attack me forever for what I think, fight for the right not to call anybody dumb by anybody. I have my own criteria, and I don’t afraid express my thoughts. Leave you moralfagging for others. You will not shut up me.
I am an electronic music guy, and I think EDM market is bigger then jazz, funk, punk, folk, classical, country, reggae, metal, acoustic, blues, instrumentals, orchestral markets combined. Nevertheless maybe just a few of TOP100\1000\10 000 DJs use Cubase. Aren’t they enough advanced in music field? However Cubase doesn’t offer them enough to pick it up. Some beginners at metapop are just a warning bell, one of 1000 will continue making music and will eventually become a Pro. Will he\she move to Cubase as he will become more advances producer? I doubt. Low popularity among beginners shows Cub’s foggy perspective.
Look at the Google Trends, in 15 years Cubase fell the hardest of all DAWs.
As an advanced producer I see what crucial parts of music making in Cubase are behind.
- Track Quick Controls. I have just tried to set up my new MIDI controller novation MK2 so its rotaries could control ‘quick controls’. I pressed lean and pick up check boxes, moved faders and nothing. Address fields are 0. I don’t freaking want to find out what’s wrong. I run Massive and MIDI learn works like a charm there. So this is Cubase’s fail that it can not pick up my controller. I have to open midi monitor and type in values manually. Is it my laziness that I am frustrated with this? No. Is this developer’s fail? - Yes.
Where is External Controller integration improvements? 29
Though people all the time are crying about stereo-to-mono, mono-to-stereo thing. Is it so freaking hard to create new FX stereo channel? No.
Where is “Stereo effects on mono channels” - 5
Ignorance? Yes. Feature requests like:
3 Chord Detection from audio - go use spectral analyzer and ears
4 Polyphonic audio editing - duplicate tracks and move those variaudio stripes
5 Stereo effects on mono channels - create stereo groups \ FX
7 Open all Plug-ins of one track in one Window with tabs - what??? And you tell ME I want Cubase become Ableton i.e. live performance oriented?
10 Automation shown directly on tracks - we are ableton users
11 Gapless Audio Engine - we are FL Studio users
12 Scalability of the user interface - isn’t it already there?
14 Improved zoom and scroll bars - aww that eyecandylovers from FL Studio
15 Full coloured tracks in the MixConsole - I am FL studio user
17 Multiple Track Freeze / Unfreeze - aren’t you able press freeze few times?
19 Smart Tool (Range/Select Tool) - so hard to press numbers at the keyboard, yes
20 Analog MixConsole emulation - we need MOAR ANALOG
22 New Arpeggiator - I don’t have imagination \ I tried Xfer Cthulhu
23 Multiple VST Instruments in one Instrument Track - that’s just sick
24 Improved integration of Dorico - give us more free stuff
26 MixConsole Snapshots including automation - why those people doesn’t ask to make one button at the master bus that’s called “make my track freaking awesome”?
33 Renaming Plug-ins in Plug-in Manager (Alias) - yeah such a butt-hurt when a developer can’t name its plugin with cute name. This will definitely make everyone’s music better
etc
etc
etc
This list just shows how superficial most of the local users are. They know how to layer few tracks, use some plugins. And want to do this even more easy. Or users that came from other DAWs and wants some features here.
That’s a great idea, yeah. But no one of the well known sound designers\ producers \ youtubers use it to educate (there are lists on reddit with great youtubers that teaches how to make electronic music, none of them uses Cubase). And they influence youths much more than these QA. QA are for current user base. And Steinberg doesn’t fight for neophytes.
Modern music is all about sound design. Cubase fails in this area hard.
Along with film/tv/game/media composing, rock, jazz, funk, punk, folk, classical, country, reggae, metal, acoustic, blues, instrumentals, orchestral etc.
Sound designers makes all these presets and libraries everyone else are using in their music.
And also the next big thing in music is tone.
So whatever tool will give an opportunity to stand out - those one will win.
“No-one knows Cubase, nobody uses Cubase, and no-one buys it”. o…k… Not a clue what we’re all doing here then(?).
Weak argument, mate, weak. Even Pure Data has users.
Are the following recent advancements moving Cubase into this niche movie/games production tool that you are prophesying?
ARA, VariAudio 3, MPE Support, AAF support, UI Zones, More Inserts, Audio Alignment, Updated Channel Strip, Offline Processing, New Instrument Contents, Automation curves, Mix console snapshots and history, 64-Bit mixing, Easy Side-chaining?
Maybe you will laugh, but imho nothing except “render in place”, “Automation curves” and “Copy paste \ A-B compare” made sound design in Cubase 10 more advanced than Cubase 5 had, its linear nature do makes it easier to align someone’s sounds, that were made i other DAWs, to videos, though.
Maybe it’s time to look at the area that nobody have been carrying for decade,already?
I have my subjective opinion on what is important and what in not.
…and anything outside your ‘subjective opinion’ is ‘total ignorance’, right?
I’ve already said, when someone is an expert in some field it’s easy to say what stands behind some requests. I don’t mind people ask whatever they want and I won’t call them ignorant . I do mind of a kid to ask for a candy when your car is about to hit a wall. That’s how I see modern Cubase. Most of local users are asking for toys while you need to change the direction.
Before Retrologue, it didn’t even have any “basic” synth.
And REAPER does? lol …how about Prologue, A1, Padshop, Monologue and Embracer? …And to think that you talk about others ignorance.
I think A1 was cut out of Cubase 5 (I didn’t use Cubase before) and all the others was some weird alien synths that was not capable of making Saw->Filter thing.
Describe me how to move this three parametric dots with one MIDI controller fader\rotary.
If you know what you want, Just automate it, easy - done!
If you haven’t a clue what you’re doing and just want to randomly try things then MIDI loopback so that one CC spits out multiple CC’s and map via remote/quick controls.
Use 3rd party app to do so - that’s so easy. And I am so lazy. Yes, for sure.
And then after you messed with generic remote for half an hour, maybe you know how to make the dots move based on midi keys presses and some envelope you can edit? So the moving was responsible to some ADSR envelope on key press? Huh?
‘Half hour’ to press learn and move a control? Lol… You’re joking, right?
Nah, if you want quick controls to work with few instrument tracks simultaneously you do need to mess with generic remote for a long time.
And yes, to do what you want input transform and/or loopback, simple.
Yeah much more simple and o.k. than absence of functionality to move tracks in Mixer…
Moving 3 ‘dots’ with one MIDI control, of course produces better music - right?
You obviously knows a little about sound design. That was just an example. But experimenting with any plugin that doesn’t have Macros like Massive has - is not what you want to do in Cubase.
There is an easy decisions:
- why you can send midi note to few instrument tracks but not CC?
- why you can not select few parameters for track’s quick control?
These two are more important than all of that list at the beginning in my comment, combined. But people that doesn’t dig much into sound won’t get it. They just want to move audio clips and turn volume knob with ease, and use Kontakt Drums that sounddesigners made for them or buy production ready samples on Splice.
Cubase is a platform that allows you to host whatever tools you want inside, and is fully MIDI and plugin compliant based on Steinbergs own tech. You can achieve -anything- with a bit of thought, but it’s easier to be lazy and complain while calling everyone else ‘ignorant’ isn’t it.
I’m done on this matter now, i’ve said all i wanted.
I love Cubase but I think it goes in a wrong direction. And listening to those FR is like trying to give a candy to a kid in car on fire. IMHO
It’s ignorance to ask a candy
It’s ignorance to try to give a candy
As I said previously, I’m done on the subject, I’ve said all I possibly can. Plus despite what you may think, I have no interest in shutting you up, simply pointing out that it’s incredibly insular to label people as ignorant based on your own ignorance. I’ve even tried to help you with problems, but you throw that back in my face.
However, reading that you’re an advanced producer, please share your productions as I’m extremely interested in hearing them, you must have a great catalogue of music with interesting textures.
Oh, And as for EDM being bigger than all other genres combined, not quite:
The pop and rock markets are much larger than EDM globally. In the US, hip hop, r&b, and even country are also much larger. I’d suspect Latin too. If you were a young guy in Germany or the UK that hangs out in the scene than EDM may seem like the biggest thing in the world but it could just mean you’re living in a bubble and are lacking some broader perspective. You can Google genre popularity by record sales and get all kinds of information on the topic to add the proper context. Here’s a site with a pie chart that shows the country market is right behind the broader Dance market globally:
Ok, I got it. I really had a good time having a conversation with you, for sure you know what are you talking about and not some beginner in music production. I admit that saying someone’s ignorant is also ignorance. While I was arguing I found some inconsistency and false convictions in my opinion. Also you convinced me at some points.
Also give me a discount for not being a native speaker, I really don’t know how to express my thoughts the right way sometimes, and make my sentences too formal or use the wrong words. I always have this feeling that I sound too harsh\rude but that’s not what I am in real life while talking my mother tongue.
The biggest problem in Cubase for me (before bezier curves in Automation and inserts number) is to control and edit automatons, predict it’s results. I used Reason4/5 a lot and I like its concept of virgine zones in automation lines and the macros thing in combinator. For modern Cubase it’s more convenient to switch to another DAW for me, create a sound and then import it back into Cubase. I guess I need to get Reaktor or MUTools, but what if I want Izotope Trash or Saturn in my chain? Or split the signal into three lines? At this point madness with automation copy\paste starts. Automation in Cubase doesn’t have cloned forms, clip forms, if it was “a clips” like MIDI clips, you could create clone clips and edit one, but changes reflects everywhere. Or you could have some macros thing, like “automation group”, I don’t know.
For now it’s better not to mess a lot with automation in Cubase, fades, mutes, VCO - that’s all. If you do some talking bass, it’s better to make 4 bars part, render in place and clone (but then it’s tedious to replace audio with the new version, thanks god I know how to do it and there is such option).
Because if you use same automation 50 times and want to change it, you need to duplicate it 50 times again. I think Cubase should make automation clips not continuous lines. Such a big field to think about.
Also if you automate filter bypass at positions 1. 1. 1. 0 - 2. 1. 1. 0, it won’t be bypassed at 2. 1. 1. 0 first kick (like bypass-on is delayed for some reason). Such annoying bug. Do you understand what I am talking about? I.E. Cubase has actual bugs in sound generating job, it is there for like of Cubase 5. Why the flup ask for moving mixer channels?
Another case, for some reason Serum Delay is not in sync with the grid, it’s occurs only in Cubase. Why?
You see, people that actually do something advances sees all this. Will they ask for moving furniture and buy a new one, when you need to clean up the apartment? Ok I was wrong calling people ignorant. I wasn’t wrong in my argumentation what’s important and what’s not. Sound quality is, for now it’s now perfect. You should get what you’d expect not surprises.
Here’s my most advanced tack so far, the rest I’ve deleted recently: youtube.com/watch?v=ALjBV-7cI-4