Cubase Instrument Tracks for VSL Synchron Library

Cubase
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Hi All

I need a solution to a SETUP problem I have been unable to resolve for the past 4 weeks.
FYI, I am using the VSP7 VI & Synchronized Special Editions with Finale and Cubase Pro 10.5 on an iMacPro (OS 10.15.7).

I would like to set up a series of vst3 instrument tracks in Cubase.
I would like to have each instrument track play back a single specific vsl instrument (eg, a SY Player Flute or Violin).
I would drag a midi track from elsewhere into a project window instrument track, and expect it to play back.
I anticipate the need for about 40 such Instrument Tracks.

I have repeatedly reviewed and experimented with the vsl user manual procedure “important notes for cubase users - asio guard and routing in cubase”.
https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/vep7/notes-for-cubase

I am able to successfully follow all steps through the end with playback from any midi track in the vep7 instance, or any midi track in the cubase project window (assigned to any vep7 instance channel).

1 Cubase-VSL Template With Midi Track
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However the last user manual step does not display the cubase project window … it is obscured by the vep7 server.

In my case, all the cubase project window instrument tracks seem to be automation tracks (???) or something. I cannot drag a midi track event into this type of instrument track.

Please help … I don’t know how to finish the last steps.

Dave W

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Hi @dwebs.

Looks like you need to create MIDI tracks and assign the MIDI channel’s
If it doesn’t do it automatically.

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Thank You Prim_69 …
That I can do, but I’m trying to create an Instrument Track Template … No Midi Track Clutter
Dave W

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Those tracks are the multi-out channels, you can not drop MIDI files on those. The only way to be able to use those MIDI Files in Cubase (that I know of) is to create MIDI Tracks. Oh, that’s if it is actually MIDI files you are talking about.

Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. Hopefully someone else can chime in as I’m not familiar with VSP7 VI.

Good luck.
Prim.

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You could create a Folder and drop all the MIDI tracks in there, would make it look less cluttered.

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If it’s just about using the synchron libraries you don’t have to use vienna ensemble pro for that. You can just load the synchron player from the media bay and load whatever vsl library you want.

If you want to use vienna ensemble pro, you will have to use midi tracks, and it’s not possible to just drag and drop a correctly configured midi track from elsewhere into your project and have it just work.

Vienna Ensemble Pro is quite complicated to setup and mostly used for multiple PC setups, where you distribute the workload of large session across multiple devices. Are you sure that you actually need VEP?

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Thank You, Joshua, for your informative reply.
I tried it and, of course, it works perfectly !!!
Now, my follow-up question is …
How do I take my Finale (Mac v27) score and import it into Cubase Instrument Tracks … or is it not possible ?
Thanks for your previous solution and any additional assistance, Joshua
Dave W

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Thank You Very Much, Joshua … The Solution Works Flawlessly :grinning:
Dave W

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Usually you can export stuff as midi from the score programms and import that midi into cubase. And then probably you’ll have to check the CCs in the bottom of the midi editor and see if your score programm put some weird data in any CC.

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Thanks Again Joshua … You have made life a lot easier for me
Best Regards,
Dave W

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Hi. First post here.
Appologies for reviving this thread but my search for a related issue brought it up and the replies and scenario all fit my question.

Im a long time musician but am really quite new to DAWs.
Ive just bought Cubase after using Reaper for a while, I did use Cubase back in the Atari midi only days but that was a long time ago.

I have Cubase 13 Pro on windows and I’m running two seperate windows pcs as servers for VSL. The networking is all fine.

I had it all working with Reaper but it was becoming increasingly difficult to manage all the midi as I added new parts.

Ive been trying to bring the work I did in Reaper into Cubase and haven’t been successful but I learned a lot while trying and I have the tracks imported but I’ve realised I need to build the template first then drop the midi into the midi tracks, which is all fine.

Finally today I tried creating a new project and created a new instrument before creating any tracks and it prompted me to set up midi tracks which I did, this gave me access to being able to select the midi channel of the multiple midi tracks, which werent present in my previous attempts.

This puts me in the same place as the O.P.
I’m building an orchestral template in Cubase for VSL from scratch.
I now have one Cubase instrument connected to 16 empty midi tracks with the midi channel going 1 to 16 on the 16 midi tracks.

Each midi track represents a seperate actual instrument (e.g. flute, viola etc) within the VSL instance that the Cubase instrument track is hosting.

My issue is, how do I now seperate the audio for each midi track? One of the replies here mentions “multi outs” which sounds like the way Cubase would give access to the individual instrument stereo outputs coming into the cubase instrument from each seperate vsl instrument.

I have got it working with all VSL tracks in vsl routed to tracks outputs 1 & 2 in VSL which brings one stereo audio input into Cubase but I need the audio seperated by each VSL instrument in Cubase using all of the 32 audio outs from the VSL instance.

The audio routing creation and process has me stumped when I suspect I’m actually quite close to getting my 1st VSL instance and the instruments in it fully routed for seperate audio and midi in Cubase.

I can then just repeat the process till all VSL instances have full, individual midi and audio tracks per VSL instrument.
My final track count will be very high, about 400, but I’m totally stuck with the audio side before I’ve started at the moment.

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Sorry Subaudio,

I was never able to create more than a Midi Tracks Template using Cubase 10.5 and VSL (VI Series & Synchron Series).

I know it can be done in some way with Instrument Tracks Audio), but being tech - challenged, I never understood the
help I received from the "tech-savvy … so I gave up. Perhaps something in the Cubase Forum thread would give you clues.

Dave W

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Hi Dave.
Sorry to hear you are still having issues.
I know Cubase can do it, I’ve seen it done on Youtube with other orchestral VST instruments but the specifics of the initial setting up of VSL and Cubase are never shown.

It seams VSL is a strange case which seems to fit perfectly in the gap between the Cubase and VSL literature, but Cubase and VSL are used by many composers doing top end work, which is why I chose them.
I’m Just missing a few key and fundamental bits of knowledge to bring both together in a fully featured way.

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OK.

I did it!
I set up a new project, instrument and 16 midi tracks in Cubase as described in my first post, then I selected the top right of the instrument in the right hand viewer and activated all outputs and it works! Full, seperate midi and full seperate audio in Cuase for each instrument in VSL.

I’ve also repeated the process to create a 2nd instrument and 16 midi channels and activated all outputs and that works too, so I just have to keep going until I have a midi instrument and audio track for every instrument in VSL.

You need to set up the instances in VSL first, I set each VSL track with its own midi channel and routed to its own output pair, equalling 32 audio outputs and 16 midi channels per instance.

I only have 16 VSL tracks in each VSL instance because I think using different midi channels to create multiples of 16 channels will mean that I dont have enough VSL output pairs for each instrument in Cubase, as it has 32? outputs per instrument as far as I currently know?

One thing I noticed when I activated all the outputs in the Cubase instrument, the new Cubase “audio” tracks, viewed from the mixer (I think might have audio tracks unchecked in my main project view, as they don’t currently appear there) have the instrument track icon, which makes me wonder if they are actually instrument tracks?
Are they linked to the actual instrument track hosting VSL I created, rather than audio tracks and so I could host midi and audio with them? freeing up the need for the midi tracks?
Maybe theres a quicker way to set these up without creating midi tracks?

I’ll try dragging midi into them later but I’m so relieved to have got it working after several weeks of gruelling head banging against a series of brick walls that I’m calling it a day for today and relaxing.

And I’m beginning to realise this isnt a forum post (as Dave pointed out but I didnt understand what they meant) its a feature vote?
Sorry, I came here via a search engine thinking I’d found the perfect forum post for fixing my problem.
Doh! and Sorry

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Hi Subaudio
Exactly the same experience I had.
I have been studying Orchestration for the past 3 years with ScoreClub (the greatest learning experience in my life, and I have dedicated most of my 87 years to learning everything I can, including music).
ScoreClub sets up a Cubase Template, but the single most critical aspect (just a 15 second part about Instrument Tracks Audio) is not comprehensible (to me).
That is the only such experience I have ever had with ScoreClub (after many, many courses). I could have resolved it in the Forum, where every question is always resolved. I chose not to pursue it because I have been using Finale much more than Cubase for about 35 years, and so I don’t need a Cubase - VSL Template.
But, if it is critical , join ScoreClub ($59/month), check out the 5 -Part Template Creation Video Series, and learn more than you ever expected. And, if anything is unclear, it will be clarified in the Forum by members, or by Alain Mayrand himself.
You just may decide to continue with other splendid courses. I never dreamed I would be able to create music like this, and I have had years of teaching by the best teachers using the best textbooks.
Dave W
PS I have to get back to my Scoreclub lectures, and No, I don’t get a commission … :smile:

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Congratulations Subaudio … I wish I had read your 2nd email before sending you on a different path.
Please let me know about any future discoveries in this thread. I may just go back and do it myself. Dave W