Cue Note Size and Rhythmic Notation

Hello All

I’ve got couple of bars of music here with some issues that I can’t figure out - see section C on the screenshot. So here goes with a few different issues:

  1. Dorico keeps forcing me to write the rhythm this way at C - I find this notation very confusing and would prefer to use a tied 8th note between beats 2 and 3. Every time I try to do that it switches to this, which is not very readable. Is there any way to turn off this default?

  2. I can’t seem to get the cue notes in Lines I and II to resize. You can see in the screenshot that I’ve got Scale set to “cue”, but they are still full size.

  3. Is there any way to edit the text for the cue notes? In this case III is fine, but there are other scenarios where I would like to add more/different info for the player.

  4. Finally, I’ve found that even when I have cue notes at the correct scale on my score, in the parts they end up back to full size. Is there a setting so that they cues will be the same size on the score and parts?

Thanks for your help, as always.

  1. Under Notation Options > Note Grouping > Syncopation:
  2. The Scale property has no effect on cues. You can adjust the scale of cues globally in Engraving Options > Cues > Design.
  3. That’s controlled by the Start text property, you can override it with whatever you want.
  4. I don’t understand this one, how have you achieved the re-scaling when under point 2 it didn’t work?

Thanks so much for this.

Your first tip did the trick, as did the “Start Text” property.

Sadly, the Engraving Options > Cues > Design. tip for the cue note sizes didn’t do anything. I’ve attached a screen shot where - again at C on the score - I resized the cue on Line II to 1/4, and they didn’t change size on the score. I must be missing a step somewhere. Once I get that sorted I’m betting my fourth question will be taken care of.

Thanks for your continued assistance!

I think you might have misunderstood how cues work. By default, they don’t show in the score. Your image shows that if you look at the part, Line II, it should show Line III as a cue. You don’t have to copy the notes from Line III to Line II. You can turn on Show Cues for the score under Library->Layout Options->Players->Cues
You can always change any selected notes to Cue size in the lower left side of the lower (properties) panel.

Jesper

Thanks Jesper, I appreciate it.

So I’m clearly misunderstanding something here, and will try to explain what I’m going for.

For my purposes I do want the cue notes to appear in the score (all players will be working from the score rather than parts), and have set that accordingly as you suggest through Library->Layout Options-> Players-> Cues. So that part is functioning as I intend. And I added the notes in Line II using the Cue popover, rather than copying and pasting them from Line III.

But I still can’t tell why the cued notes won’t resize. I’ve followed your instructions with setting the Cue note design to 5/8 and selecting “cue” in the properties section, but no change to the size. In my tinkering, at some point I did get Line II to resize, but the source notes in Line III resized as well. So that’s not what I’m going for.

Here’s a screenshot of my settings, which I tried to apply to Line II to no avail.

Thanks so much for the continued help.

Can you post your project, or a cut down version of it that demonstrates the issue?

Thanks Aaron, sure can. It’s only three pages long, so hopefully the whole project should do it. It’s a work in progress formatting-wise so lots still do to get it looking readable.

Thanks for the help!

The Answer Is Slow - SJE 2025.dorico (1.2 MB)

Here you go. It’s because you manually scaled notes.

Jesper

The Answer Is Slow - SJE 2025.dorico (711.4 KB)

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@jesele beat me to it!

It seems odd to me that if you create a cue from source notes that have the Scale property set, the cue notes don’t scale properly. They do scale properly if the sources notes have a Custom scale set.

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Indeed @asherber

Jesper

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Thanks all, that fixed it. But I’m afraid I don’t know how you got there - I only tried to scale the notes manually because it wasn’t done automatically with the design change, which is where I started. Clearly this is all “driver error” stuff, but I don’t know how to avoid it in future.

So I guess my question is: is the Engraving Options > Cues > Design supposed to make the notes the proper size when they are added using the Cue popover (which I did on this score), or is there a second step in here that I missed/did incorrectly? I can’t see from your responses where I went wrong exactly, though I clearly did!

Thanks for the help, I use cues all the time so I really need to understand it.

Yes, that should be all you need.

The issue was that, for some reason, the source notes for your cue had their Scale property set (to Normal). This was preventing the cue notes from auto-scaling properly.

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I did Select All and unticked the scale property.

Jesper

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Wow, ok! Thanks a million. Clearly, I could not have got there on my own. I did pull this in to Dorico as a MusiXML file from Finale, so maybe that contributed. Anyway, sounds like whatever I did I shouldn’t be typical (I’ve not had this issue in other Dorico scores), and the Engrave Option should do the trick.

Thanks again everyone, I’m very fortunate to be banking your collective wisdom.

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