Cymbal roll notation and playback - is it really this hard?

I am trying to create a cymbal roll and have it play back in NotePerformer. Take the simple example of a whole note roll crescendo into the downbeat of the next measure in 4/4 time. In virtually every instance of this very common piece of percussion notation I have ever seen in print, the 3-line tremolo goes with the whole note, and the whole note is tied to an 8th note on the downbeat of the next measure which has NO tremolo marking. Generally, unless the roll is supposed to be choked, there is a L.V. tie on the 8th note.

Am I correct that, in Dorico, the only way to get this to notate and playback correctly is to, for each and every cymbal swell in the entire piece:

  1. Notate whole note followed by the 8th note tied to it
  2. Turn on the l.v. tie from the properties panel
  3. Go to Engrave mode and manually turn off the tremolo for the 8th note
  4. Since CC64 isn’t triggered by the l.v. marking, go to Play mode and manually add MIDI automation to turn it on for correct playback

And I would need to do step 4 for every single cymbal swell in an entire piece, because even if I copy and paste the notation in Write mode, the automation changes in Play mode will not also copy…is that right or am I missing something?

For what it’s worth, I use cymbal rolls in NotePerformer, and I do your steps 1, 2 and 3, but I never bother with step 4 and it sounds OK - there is a little bit of taper on the cymbal sound but it’s not choked.

You seem to be facing two problems here:

  1. To tie the rolled note into a stinger without the trem on the stinger.

  2. To create a playback for the l.v. on the stinger.

  3. I maintain that in spite of how engravers have interpreted what was once handwritten, the “tie” to the stinger should actually be a slur; many, if not most here, disagree, so one will have to be satisfied removing the final trem bars in Engrave until Dorico offers another option.

  4. Even if the stinger eighth were untied to the original roll, would the l.v. play back? I’m not sure l.v.'s have a playback programmed in (otherwise how would Dorico know how long to sustain the l.v.); so I imagine one would have to program/extend the l.v.'s by hand.

Noteperformer does the l.v. correctly if you give it CC64 turned to 127 via automation. In Finale, I simply create an invisible expression that does this and assign it to the 8th note. I can then copy the 8th note around wherever I want an l.v.

I rely on high quality mockups for my work, so the difference between the normal “taper” and the l.v. in Noteperformer is significant enough for me to care.

I suppose what I wish is that the l.v. toggle in Dorico actually triggered CC64, and that it defaulted to the most common behavior for percussion roll notation into a downbeat.