Default Lyric Placement: Barbershop

In a 2-staff barbershop arrangement, although the Lead will have the lyric below the staff, the Tenor lyric goes above. The Baritone and Bass go above and below the bass staff, respectively.

Is there a way to set this all as a default? (I hate to keep saying this was easy in finale, but it was!)

No. But when you invoke the lyric popover, press Shift-up arrow to input the lyrics directly above the staff.

So much to learn. Sigh.

Thank you!

Yes, isn’t it ? :face_with_thermometer:
The Manuel explain all of these points :

Another approach is to enter each voice on a different staff with the lyrics underneath:

In Library > Layout Options > Players > Condensing, create custom condensing groups containing Tenor, Lead and Bari, Bass. Enable condensing by executing Edit > Condensing. Finally, add a condensing change in engrave mode which puts Tenor and Lead in different voices and does the same with Bari and Bass:

Easy method : Dan Method
Shadok Method : John Method

In Dorico, all roads lead to Rome. :laughing:

Thanks to you both.

In the thousands of barbershop charts I’ve seen and worked on, they have never been 4-staff.

I (pretty much) know how to do it; I want to know if they can be saved in the template, to send to users who won’t know the tricks!

Understandable, but this is core Dorico functionality. Users will need to know how to use Dorico anyways.

Shift-up arrow isn’t a workaround… it’s exactly how this is intended to be achieved.

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Your are perfectly right, Dan, but… some people never read any manuals, and that’s the problem.
It’s a hundred times easier to ask the question on a forum.
Such is life… :wink:

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No shame in asking on the forum, that’s why we’re here.

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You are a true gentleman, Dan, and you are among members the most helpful in this forum ; I do appreciate your posts.
I think I remember running into Wawoodman on the Finale forums (with another pseudo).
He’s amazing and knows Finale very well. Helping him get the best out of Dorico is a duty for us, although I’m totally incapable of doing so because, like him, I’m new to Dorico, and I know I’ll need at least a year of learning to start using it properly.
But… being a great reader, I go through the manual every day before asking questions here, so as not to disturb anyone unnecessarily if I can find the answer to my question in the manual (or in YouTube videos) on my own. I make it a point of honour.

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Although everyone here has given you useful tips, no one has answered your actual question. If you want to create a template, I would suggest that you prepare everything exactly as you want it and then create a first bar exactly as @wawoodman wanted it in his picture. It’s best to take just the first bar of an existing arrangement that you have duplicated and edit it to look exactly as you want it to as a template.
By the way, I wouldn’t work with “condensing” as @johnkprice proposed, because the distribution of the lyrics doesn’t work satisfactorily with complex choral movements. This only works satisfactorily with homophonic arrangements.
I would definitely work with different voices so that you can handle the lyrics allocation better. As soon as you have defined a template, you can save it under “File>Save As Project Template” and it will be available to you for all further arrangements in the Hub. You must give your project a meaningful name and also select “Preserve existing flows”. You will then find this template on your computer and can make it available to your other barbershop arrangers. On Mac this is in the Library under: “Application Support>Steinberg>Dorico 5>Project Templates”. If my explanation was too complicated, you can also find explanatory videos or the manual

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No, no, JĂźrg ; perfectly clear and very helpful !
Thank you for Michael.

The key is to enter your principal lyrics attached to the lower top-staff voice (lead) and then add lyrics as needed to the other voices and flipping the tenor part above the staff with F.

That is certainly absolutely right. But when arranging, I would definitely make sure that the lyrics are assigned to the right voices, which @Derrek mentioned shortly. Here it helps to display the voice colors: “View>Note and Rest Colors>Voice Colors”. I have created my own shortcuts for the keyboard commands: “Change Voice to Next Voice on Staff” and “Change Voice to Previous Voice on Staff”, which I use a lot. But as I said, it’s really important that the lyrics have the same color as the individual voices if you want to avoid problems.