I have created a percussion map for EZDrummer. Works in Write- mode. Right sound at the right position in staff. But when I drag midi patterns from EZdrummer it does not line up. E.x crash cymbal on closed high hat. I have changed middle C to C3 in Dorico. With C4 nothing shows up in Key editor. Any clues?
I see now that EZDrummer uses a LOT of midi-notes for one drum kit. Probably I need to map all more than 100 midi notes for it to work properly. E.x map out 10 different hi-hat strokes.
That’s right, you need to make sure your percussion map contains everything that you want to see imported, and also that the percussion instruments in your kit instrument are set up with the appropriate playing technique appearances as well.
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Ok, thanks!
Here are EZDrummer kits and maps I did for the Jazz and Latin extensions.
Maybe they can be of some help.
Jesper
EZDrummer.zip (27.0 KB)
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Ok, thanks jesele!
I just made a Jazz kit and map yesterday, LOL! I’m definitely gonna use your Latin files though, thanks! Unfortunately, I’m still having problems with drag and drop. Does it work correctly for you? If I write something in Dorico, then it will play back correctly in EZDrummer as all the playback techniques and instruments route correctly, but if I drag MIDI in, then it’s not all hooked up and there are instruments/techniques missing. It seems like when dragging in EZDrummer might be using a different map or something.
If I select “Improvisation 01” from the “Song 01 109BPM” family, and drag that into Pro Tools, it’s obvious that there is some sort of pattern up on MIDI 104 and 105 in the dragged MIDI file.
There’s nothing defined for MIDI 104 and 105 on any of the drums or cymbals in the EZDrummer Jazz kit, so of course neither your map nor mine has that defined. When dragging into Dorico, obviously that’s just missing from the notation as we didn’t define it. So where is that coming from? Is EZDrummer using a different convention with drag and drop?
EDIT: wrong MIDI #s, fixed now
Yes, didn’t work in D4 but now I can create a new player, Import the Jazz or Latin kit. Then from the EZDrummer browser just drag a groove variation into the track in Play mode. Also works with a MIDI region if I drag the groove into EZDrummers own track.
Jesper
You don’t find that there’s a bunch of stuff missing? If I drag that “Improvisation 01” into Dorico using your kit and map I get this:
Obviously, there’s cleanup needed, but it’s still missing a bunch of instruments/techniques when compared to the playback within EZDrummer itself.
Yes, a bit could be missing sometimes, and all those tuplets. Not sure if it’s my map or something else. It could be the EZDrummer export. At least it’s kind of works.
Jesper
I could probably change the quantization settings to make the import a little cleaner, but there’s still just stuff missing from my kit/map and yours when using drag and drop. I suspect this is on the EZDrummer side of things, as there are MIDI notes visible when I drop a file into Pro Tools that don’t seem to have a definition in the kit. I’m by no means a MIDI expert, so there certainly could be user error here, but it seems like the map EZDrummer is using with drag and drop doesn’t match the map being used when playing back the file within EZDrummer, at least with the Jazz kit. I’m not really sure how to reconcile that.
Tried another track and that looks like your, terrible.
Also tried some Peter Erskine groves I have but they are GM.
Works, but cymbal missing
Jesper
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Just realized if you go to Help / Show MIDI Mapping Layout, the map shown is different than the map given for each instrument.
On the left it looks like the Bow Tip technique for the Ride is only on MIDI 51, but in the larger table it is 51, but also 84, 89, 96, 101, 108, and 113. I think drag and drop might be using some of these upper values that aren’t set up in the map, so they don’t end up importing.
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From going through this with the Simon Phillips GA expansion over on the GA meta thread I can tell you it’s easy to miss something(s) in the map and get those disconnects. I started the SP, quickly got nearly over my head but then thankfully John came to the rescue as he had been working on it.
Got it figured out! You need to add all the instruments/techniques from the expanded map. I have no idea why EZDrummer exports some notes as specified by the instrument and some notes as specified in the expanded map, but once I added all the assignments, it works fine. Just copy and paste as needed to fill out the map. Changed the quantization settings for the import to get rid of all the tuplets and it seems to be working! This is how that same groove imports now with my map (which I set up a bit differently than yours).
Yeah, definitely! I think this one was a bit tricky, because it’s not obvious what MIDI note # will be used for which instrument/technique when there are duplicates. The one specified by the instrument it turns out isn’t always the one EXDrummer is using with drag and drop. It was only when I dragged into Pro Tools I realized there were other notes that I hadn’t assigned yet. Once I found the expanded map, I figured it out.
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Oh that’s a good idea. I noticed you can drag patterns into other Dorico instruments, maybe just dragging into a piano will show you what the notes being used are.
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Great idea! Here’s the same groove dragged onto a Piano as well:
All those crazy high notes aren’t specified by the instruments themselves in EZDrummer, only in the expanded MIDI map. A percussion map that just follows the instrument/technique assignments as specified by the instruments will play notation back correctly from Dorico, but won’t necessarily import correctly into Dorico without all the duplicates assigned as well.
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I mapped all 127 on the EZ-map. Some tedious work…But it seems to work rather fine now. Have just made som quick tests. We will see if something comes up.
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Great find. It’s a long time ago I did my maps but I remember that I used a PDF with a chart for the MIDI.
Jesper
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