Double parenthesis in playing technique

Hello,

When using the parenthesized option in connecting playing techniques, I get double parentheses over a system break, which doesn’t seem to be correct.


It doesn’t seem fixable in Engrave mode. I cannot get rid of the double parentheses without erasing the parentheses from the first playing technique.

I made a custom (sul tasto) playing technique (with parentheses). (I assume this is what you did as well.) When I set Engraving Options > Playing Techniques > Continuation for not parenthesizing over system breaks I think I get the result you want:

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Hello, thanks for your suggestion, @judddanby

I used to do this prior to Dorico 6, but that’s not what I did in this case. I checked the “parenthesized” option in the properties panel.

The problem with this solution is that I do want all playing techniques to be parenthesized when I have a System break, but not to add another layer of parentheses if it is already parenthesized. So it’s an all or nothing situation. Since there’s a new property, Dorico already knows the playing technique is parenthesized.

I see what you mean. I went back and added a “normal” sul tasto PT, then used the Properties Panel (in Write Mode) to engage parentheses. With my “do not parenthesize” setting in Engraving Options it seems to behave:

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Yes, it does if you start with a parenthesized PT. But you can’t have concurrently in the same project a non parenthesized PT to be parenthesized over a system break, but not getting double parentheses with one that is.

Apologies if I’m missing something. Here’s what I did, and in both cases I get the desired parenthesis behavior:

I’ll show with an example: in the following case, you have a sul tasto technique with a continuation line. The first is stated without parentheses, because they’re not needed. You get parentheses with every break, as expected.
In the same project, you have a sul tasto marking followed by rests. Since the instruction is not cancelled, you restate the PT, but with parentheses, as a cautionary warning. Then, when a break comes, you get double parentheses. You cannot have Engraving options that fit both cases within the same project.

Hmm…. I’m seeing a different behavior.

First two PTs are “stock,” while the third is a custom one with parentheses added (in the PT definition, not the Properties Panel; Engraving Options set not to parenthesize over system breaks):


EDIT: Ah!! now I see, The problem is that the first PT over the break needs the parentheses, Hmm….

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Exactly! That’s it!
And my point is that, since Dorico is aware that the second technique is parenthesized, because it is so via a property, it should acknowledge that it doesn’t need the outer parentheses when there’s a break.

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That would certainly be a good behavior. Way out of my depth here, but I’d guess the complexity is that Dorico is “thinking” of the PT + extension as one entity. (Wiser minds may prevail here, but I suspect the only workaround will be a staff-attached text box with opaque white background.)

I thought I could be clever by making a custom technique with parentheses when what I actually needed to make was a second cup of coffee! Anon…! :coffee:

Sorry to have spun my wheels down a non-productive path and chewed up your time, @lucas_r_r.

No worries! Go get that coffee. I’ll do likewise!

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Thanks for reporting this. I’ll have a think about how we can address this in future.

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