I just purchased Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition and I have tried to implement EW Hollywood Orchestral Percussion Opus Edition to Dorico 6.0.2 and noticed that making performance included all cymbals (and same for performance of drums also) responses right way to trigger key C-2 ..C-4 but no sound of instrument instance is generated than only for first instance of performance (C-2 key). I have done same way for plenty of other EW libaries and have not had any problems in Dorico. My first idea is that there is something different in Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition library compared to e.g. EW Hollywood Fantacy or EW Hollywood Backup Singers Library.
Do someone have ideas what I can do to get this new purchase of mine would work properly?
Typically this kind of problem indicates an incorrect assignment to the plug-in/port/channel in the Routing section of the Track Inspector panel in Play mode, or a problem with the percussion map (either the wrong one is chosen, or there’s an error in the percussion map itself).
Check your middle C setting. Hollywood percussion is mapped an octave higher (if I remember correctly), so if the manual says C2, it should be C3 in the percussion map. For example, the manual for snares says:
A 5” x 14” snare drum starting on note C1 […]
… but the expression map should start on C2 (assuming you haven’t fiddled with your middle C setting). Mine:
I have copied the ready solution which I have used with other EW sound libraries but in current situation the old way not works with Hollywood Orchestral Percussion Opus Edition. I confirmed also that same problem is with Reaper. So the problem is sure on EW side.
I am not using percussion map only dafault expression map. Now it question of EW performace mapping which is used by midi diggering in Dorico (Reaper).
Yes I have and keyboard in Opus responds and generates correct sound. But when the triggered row of perfirmance is played (by notes from Dorico or Reaper) ->no action on on-screen keyboard and no any sound??
I would make sure that the MIDI channel (and MIDI port if applicable) are set correctly in Opus, because if the instrument is listening on a different MIDI port/channel than Reaper/Dorico are sending on then you won’t hear anything from any of the notes. Opus is an example of what is called a multi-timbral sample player where you can load up several instruments potentially into the same instance, but on different MIDI channels (and possibly different MIDI ports too).
The other thing to keep in mind is that some virtual instruments use a different definition of middle C than others (C3 vs C4), so if it ends up playing the note an octave off where it should be, there may be nothing mapped there and you might not hear anything.
I made a test that I added two score lines one for EW BackUp Singers and one for EW Hollywood Strings 2. Both have excatly same settings in OPUS. EW BackUp Singers works fine with performance of own and all lines are triggered but EW Hollywood Strings 2 not. I am really confused. There have to be something wrong now in EW side. I have made carfully end point setups for both instruments .
It is probably something you are doing incorrectly. I would try getting it working in the DAW first (Reaper) because there you have less automation potentially interfering, and you are interfacing with the libraries more directly. It is certainly not a Dorico problem if Reaper is doing the same thing.
The simplest thing for us to help is a cut-down project file that doesn’t work. I have both of those libraries so I should be able to spot something fairly quickly.
the project file is too large to load. So If somebody can try this simple example and confirm if I have something wrong or not on my side. In this examble only notes above C-2 trigger area have sound. Is it right?
I see you are using performances instead of a channel-based method. When using performances, you must be sure all loaded instruments are set to Omni. You have your keyswitches nicely starting at C-2 (as do I). Make sure the routing is correct, of course.
Do I see correctly in the first picture that you are using MIDI regions and not an expression map?
Yes I use in this simple case midi triggering. (midi regions). In my understanding when one use channel-based method maximum instances is 16. That’s why I prefer key switch method. Thank you for your help. I understand that your method is working now?
Although that doesn’t give you very many of the keyswitches, there are actually a lot more optional articulations that can be turned on via the toggles in the Articulations tab:
You can have 16 instruments in one channel-based Opus instance. I don’t know if there is a limit to the number of instruments you can add to a performance and I don’t know of any limitation on the number of Opus instances you can use in Dorico. As @mducharme states above, the actual Key Switch instruments are a much better place to start off than building a complicated performance with key switches triggered by MIDI regions. Also, and this is just my humble opinion, if you use the combination instruments (shorts MOD, trills MOD, marc/spic MOD) you really don’t need more than 16 slots. The 10 that I have are all of the fundamental techniques. I reserved 11-16 for testing legato instruments (which are extremely difficult to program in Dorico) and lesser used ones, e.g. col legno, snap pizz etc. I suggest you take a look at my expression map.
My method has always worked – may not be perfect, but I thought I was trying to help you
I understand your points not to have or need more than 16 instances in one performance. But if you don’t mind let’s concentrate why I can’t have even two instances of EW Hollywood Strings 2 articulations in one performance and keyswitch between them by midi triggering in Dorico score as I have shown and explained before? That is possible with other EW libraries. Would you like to test if you get this working.
Secondly I am ready to use channel base method but I can’t understand how I can build performances so that every instance (row) of performance has different midi channel and expression map transfer this info from score to performance which make right sound. Thank you I have studied the expression map from derAbgang but I coud not understand how I trigger correct row of performance from my score. If this is too long story is there any good video to make this more clear?
I have made many expression maps (and precussion maps) only using keyswitches and control changes but never channel method. Would like to help me even more.
Ok, then you need to make sure the trigger regions are actually sending MIDI notes and that Opus is receiving them. Have both open, Opus on the Play or Performance tab and create something like below:
You will both hear the violin and see the keyboard being depressed in Opus. If that works, change the regions to your keyswitches and test again. Do you see the notes being depressed on the keyboard within Opus?
This is how I all the time have made :). As I erlier tried to explain triggering is not the problem but keyboard movement is generated only for first instance of performance.
