Export layout options for a certain layout

I regularly use a piano “in H”, with A=415Hz (or maybe I don’t remember the number exactly). Preparing an accompaniment printout, I do a few tweaks in the Setup and Layout options (Clef and Transposition override (C=Cb), layout is transposing, vertical spacing etc). I would love to store these settings as a kind of template, so that when I create this sheet I don’t have to go into the different menus and forget where or what it was I was about to adjust and so on.

All I find on “exporting layouts” is about parts and graphics and so on. I have looked into the library manager, but it doesn’t seem to be able to export just a few settings, and I don’t know how I would apply them to the correct layout afterwards.

Any ideas, or something I haven’t understood? Thanks in advance.

Are you looking for this?

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Why not a real template?

Select Save As Project Template in menu File, choose or create a category and save the project.

@TonH was faster :wink:

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Thank you, both of you. As long as I start with the intention of creating such a accompaniment sheet, the idea does work, and is an interesting reframing of a solution. I might try importing another flow into such a project when I start out with the instruments that I am accompanying. I’ll look into that over the weekend.

Why not create a new instrument with the correct transposition?

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This works when I actually write a part, but when I prepare a sheet for accompanying others (like pupils), I often have to support their voice during practising, and then it gets cumbersome if I have my part transposed and not theirs. Thanks anyway!

I really do not understand what you are trying to achieve, either in terms of creation or performance.

If you want to work at a baroque pitch (but notate as normal) you can simply set playback option for tuning…

I’m not 100% sure I do understand your needs, but if that’s a score for piano + singer, you just can create a piano in H as @janus suggest.

You have the the choice to print it in transposed pitch for your piano, or in concert pich if you have to play it elsewhere

I’ll try to reformulate my goal, but as it doesn’t seem to be any obvious solution that I have missed, I am grateful for everybody’s efforts: it seems like @TonH’s solution (and @Vadian !) is the best (I tried it this morning), as I thus end up with a layout targeted for my needs, even if it might imply a re-import of previously created materials into a new project created with this “Piano in H” template. I am not sure if it is actually faster than having a checklist handy, with the options I want and running through them whenever I need such a layout.

I expected there to be something like the templates of the engrave mode: For this layout, I want to apply such-and-such options (like I stated in my first post). The most important ones for my application are “Clef and transposition overrides” from the triple dot of the layout in setup mode (which needs to be c=cb for all c instruments, and c=a for Bb instruments, etc), and “Transposing layout” from Layout options proper. I also generally don’t need staff labels after the first line. Even if that is my default for “proper music”, I’d rather use that space (and truncated vertical spacing) for a bigger staff size. In short, there are a few layout-related properties I was hoping to change in one fell swoop by applying some kind of template, a subset of settings via a .doricolib file or something. Currently, it seems like I have to store a layout in a “real template”, and then import the musical materials into this, if they have been created in advance. This works, even if it feels like putting the cart before the horse.

So, a couple of use cases:

In real life, things are usually as they are. I find myself accompanying for rehearsal on a piano which, for some reason or another, sounds around a half note too low.

So, in comes a violin player with a piece in G. The accompaniment score (kind of a piano reduction of the orchestra) for “Imperial march” is more than I can transpose live and play in Ab at the same time as I encourage him, and help him find his own voice, counting ledger lines and keeping track of what position on what string he is playing. Previously, I have had a few attempts at creating an accompaniment sheet with an instrument “Piano in H”, but this of course leads to me having a grand staff in Ab, and then the violin part in G, which doesn’t help me much as I now have to switch my thinking everytime I need to give him a little support. So, instead of also creating a “Violin in H”, I search the web and find a pointer towards the “Clef and transposition override” setting, which in an instant solves all my problems.

It is also a more elegant solution when I only have a lead sheet style score. The cornet girl presents her practice piece. Now, with a few jazzy chords, the notes are written in C (sounding in Bb, of course), and the chords are — considerate enough — written for a piano. This means I have to support her playing transposing the notes to Bb at the same time that I remember that this Cmaj7 is to be played Hmaj7 to sound correct. In this case, I don’t really need the “Piano in H” instrument at all, as I am really only interested in the melody and chords, not having to create a “Cornet in A” — well, that actually exists, but the point is still valid.

Increasingly, I scan the notes (with the camera on my phone), convert them to MIDI, import them into Dorico, and make a few tweaks before creating a new layout that transposes everything correctly. Now, it would have been wonderful to create a layout in this score and apply a template with the necessary settings.

I’ll make it work anyway, and I thank you all for your suggestions. I hope it is clearer why I raised the question. It seems the best way to speed things up might be to reframe the problem so the layout settings are applied first (via the template), not last (as per my presented workflow).

Thanks again.

The semitone difference makes me wonder if your midi piano isn’t simply using the wrong sampling rate. I’m by no means a midi expert, but on this forum, I’ve encountered many threads where this was the issue. Two common settings are 48000 Hz and 44100 Hz, which happen to be a semitone (half-step) apart.

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Thanks, but the problem is not about MIDI playback at all. I try to find a way to quickly apply settings to a layout in Dorico, preferably after the materials are written.

I didn’t know those frequencies were a semitone apart. A little funny, isn’t it? Ah, those coincidences.. Anyway, thanks again for your suggestion.