exporting montage changes track lengths

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have had a frustrating few hours and ended up having to save audio files one at a time as i’m struggling to understand what’s going on in this situation:

i’ve got a LOT of 1 minute audio files that are created and cropped to smoothly loop on playback. this is for a mobile app and the files have to be perfectly looping.

however, when all of these files (WAV) are put into a Montage, named, metadata’d, etc… and i export/render them all out in various formats tiny little gaps of audio and clicks get inserted at the beginning of each file.

i have the splice markers and gaps between tracks set at zero and when i render them out about 30ms of silence gets added to the front of the file.

i have just noticed also that simply opening a single WAV and saving as MP4 has also introduced this gap… completely bypassing the use of the Montage.

any idea what’s going on? thanks…

(see screenshot for gap)

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encoded format are not suitable for loops, as these formats quantize the audio length.
The Mp3 encoder has an option to compensate for this, though.

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thanks… yes, the more i researched this the more i found out that it may be a drawback of MP3 (and AAC i suppose?)

the problem is, my montage render/exports are also glitching the lengths even if i export WAV files… which, for this project isn’t a concern as the client needs AAC, but definitely doesn’t seem right.

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Do you use plugins? Did you try while bypassing plugins? Maybe some plugins have latency compensation problems.

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i first started noticing this because FabFilter Q3 introduces similar problems (no matter what phase setting you have). removing the plug in and trying others eliminated the “render in place” glitches/timing additions.

but exporting/rendering tracks from a montage introduces these problems even with no plug ins.

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but exporting/rendering tracks from a montage introduces these problems even with no plug ins

Rendering without plugins and to WAV… I really doubt you can observe any gap.

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No gap here.

@taylor12K: What settings are you using for rendering? Is the Resampler involved? I master a fair amount of projects that have overlapping tracks, or connected tracks so I am always checking for issues like this, especially when I try a new plugin because there is a 50% chance it will have a rendering issue in WaveLab.

Anyway, in my workflow I can render WAV files with no added gap and when you place them back to back in a new montage, they are 100% seamless with no ticks, pops, gaps, or other glitches. The only plugin running when I render my final master files is Goodhertz Good Dither.

I wonder if it’s something in your render settings that is producing this if it’s happening on WAV files that are otherwise seamless on playback before rendering.