"Extended FX Chains" as seen in Studio One

Cubase needs an flexible environment for building complex FX chains, like it is possible in Studio One:

"Extended FX Chains

Broaden your sonic palette and discover new life in your old plug-in collection with Extended FX Chains, a fast and powerful tool for sound design. Using the Splitter Tool, route multiple simultaneous audio effects in myriad ways: serial, parallel, or split by channel or frequency band. Instantly transform any effect to multiband and combine different effects in new ways to explore uncharted sonic territory. Just one Splitter lets you split the audio path of a single channel up to five times. If that’s not enough, just add more Splitters!"

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+1 or Ableton racks and macros…
We definitely missing the ability to control multiple synths with one midi, plus creative routing, splitting etc along with macro controls…
And ability to save the whole thing as one file…
Kinda slow and tedious building and controlling lead synth stacks ATM…

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Just done a few tracks in Ableton and, while there are many things I miss, Group Effects is an absolutely killer feature. Similar to extended fx chains in Studio One in that it allows you to set up very quickly all kinds of serial and parallel chains. Mostly things that are possible in Cubase using duplicates or group and fx channels, but with much easier workflow.

A few examples:

  • splitting things into different frequency bands and applying different processing to each
  • loudness matching using things like TBPro Audio ABLM (where you put one instance before and one after the plug-in(s) of interest, and it’s very nice to have a one-click bypass for the chain)
  • even simple things like compress and add some slapback, reverb, chorus, but maybe you want to experiment with the order of these things or serial/parallel.

So if this is possible in S1, why not Cubase? Any prospects of this arriving soon? Would be nice for stability to have it built in.

Or maybe better to look at 3rd party alternatives like Bluecat Patchwork or DDMF Metaplugin. Anyone have experience with these in Cubase 12 (M1 Mac here) to share?

+1 i’d love to see that feature too

And also some Midi Macro control features :blush:

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I’d love to have this feature in Cubase!

:rofl: :joy: :weary: :laughing: :face_in_clouds: :sweat_smile: :alien:
You better time travel back in time cause the Cubase that I know is still in 2017 Beta.

I use StudioRack by Waves extensively. Works great and is free.

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Thanks, will check that out!

Have seen reports that some are a bit crash-prone, so good to know the Waves one is working for you.

Now also in Reaper 7 apparently (have not tried it):

’FX Containers and Parallel Routing:Build, store, and recall self-contained FX chains, including complex routing and configurable parameter mapping. Route multiple plug-ins (including FX containers) in parallel.’

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+1 A spliter and also something like the Ableton racks have been on my Cubase wish list for years. This also allows there to be no limit on inserts per channel, since if they could be grouped like in an Ableton rack or a spliter you would have many inserts in a single slot.

This is indeed a great feature in Studio One and other DAWs, including Reaper, as mentioned above.

While we are waiting for Steinberg to hopefully implement something like this in the future, there are some great third party options out there, including:

  • Waves StudioRack (already mentioned above)
  • DDMF Metaplugin
  • DDMF Superplugin
  • Blue Cat’s Patchwork
  • Blue Cat’s MB-7 Mixer
  • NUGEN SigMod

They all work great, and have different features, in some cases going well beyond what Studio One’s Splitter and Reaper’s FX containers can do. I strongly suggest you check those options out. Now in terms of sheer routing power, modulation, and flexibility, you won’t be able to match what Bitwig can do on its own of course, since Bitwig’s design is built around a modular concept in the DAW itself (and therefore Bitwig is a great companion DAW to Cubase BTW!).

BTW, using one of the above plugins to host your chains has other advantages that go beyond Studio One, Reaper, Bitwig, etc., in a different sense, since you can create complex chains and use them in ANY DAW. So if you are using more than one DAW and want to share complex chains across DAWs, then your best bet is to get one of the above plugins anyway!

Also, there are other workarounds and clever ways to do this inside Cubase in sync with other DAWs in fact. For example, you can route audio out of Cubase over to Reaper or Bitwig with Blue Cat’s Connector plugin, and then use the FX containers in Reaper or brilliant modular routing in Bitwig, then route the audio BACK into Cubase with another instance of Blue Cat’s Connector. The sky is the limit, folks!

In addition to that, Blue Cat has another cool plugin called Blue Cat’s Late Replies, which also can host third party plugins, but it can apply them to a matrix of delays… so it’s a multi-effects delay+reverb third-party plugin hosting system. Just another option to explore.

Anyway, as for the OP, I’m 100% in support of Steinberg offering some kind of built-in complex FX container/chainer or splitter kind of functionality, BUT the truth is, if you use one or more of the above plugins, you can potentially do WAY MORE things, well beyond what any single DAW’s chainer or splitter could possibly do, especially in sync with other DAWs if you want to get really clever.

So while Steinberg should have this kind of functionality as a native feature, once you start integrating something like the above plugins into your workflow, and especially if you use more than one DAW, you probably wouldn’t be using Steinberg’s version of the feature anyway. Just saying.

Cheers!

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Steinberg, I’m sure, knows this and is why it will never be implemented.

Quick note for anyone interested. I ran into another neat little plugin that helps with part of this workflow. It’s Klevgrand’s Gaffel - Klevgrand - Audio Plugins from Sweden with love

This one is very simple and obviously not nearly as powerful or flexible as the other solutions posted above, but it’s surprisingly elegant in its usefulness, kind of like a screwdriver, when all you need is a screwdriver. I find myself sometimes just needing this instead of the complex stuff I mentioned in my prior post.

The problem with all those alternatives to a native fx chain is that you cannot come from a plugin you tweaked as an insert and then think “oh I want it as a parallel or multiband”. You need then to save a preset, open the chainer plugin, open the plugin again inside, load the preset, and then you can try the fx chain. Not super convenient.
It’s more of a workflow thing, I prefer something quick and easy were I just click on a plugin and convert it into a chain than a super powerfull chainer with oversampling and lot of features that I don’t really need.
Also I encountered a lot of recallability problems when switching system with those kind of plugin so I don’t really trust them, even if I use them because I have no choice…

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+1 we definitely need a more flexible “fx chain” feature, sick of only being able to load 1 fx chain per channel without overwriting the current one

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