Fanned beam 2:3 and beamed with other notes

Hello!

I am copying a score to Dorico and want to replicate the following figure:

There are 2 challenges to this: making the beam accelerate from 2 to 3 strokes, and beaming it together with the 8th note. I know that (sadly) standard features won’t allow for this, but are there any workarounds that would let me recreate this?

Thanks,
Ivan

In what follows, I am assuming that the quintuplet has the duration of an eighth note. If the quintuplet is supposed to have the duration of a quarter note, then double the second number in the tuplets below.

Start by entering the notes in the first two measures in different voices. The first measure uses a 5:1e tuplet and the second measure uses a 5:2x tuplet. With chord mode on, combine the first two measures to obtain the third measure. Select just the notes without the tuplets and set their voice column index to zero, remove the eighth rest and hide one of the tuplets to obtain the fourth measure:

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@johnkprice: the Magician of “Nested” Tuplets! :smiley: :+1:

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… rather the Einstein​:brain: than the Magician :sparkles: I am so impressed :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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Thank you very much! This solution really helped me.

Sorry for asking again, but is this possible also? I can’t find a way to do this with the same method, due to the rest after the fourth note.

Thanks,
Ivan

This situation is much more complicated. Give me some time to work on it.

Maybe a rest notehead could work.

Jesper

Start by creating a new notehead set containing a single notehead which looks like a 32nd rest and change the attachment point for Stem up SE to (0.85,2.50):

Enter the notes and forced rest shown in the first measure below. The outer tuplet is 10:8y and the inner tuplet is 20:5y. Beam the notes together, make the beam flat and raise it by 3/4 of a space to obtain the second measure. Now enter the notes in the third measure in another voice using a 5:4y tuplet. Select the notes in the third measure without the tuplet, set the Accidental property to Hide and the Voice column index property to zero, make the fanned beam flat and raise it one space to obtain the fourth measure. Combine the second and fourth measures to obtain the fifth measure. Select the superimposed notes at the end of the fanned beam in the fifth measure, suppress their playback and change their noteheads to use the new notehead set, remove the eighth rest and hide the inner tuplets to obtain the sixth measure:

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@johnkprice WOW!!! :+1:

I think there should be an award for this workaround.

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It’s remarkable the workarounds I dream up when I should be sleeping!

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@johnkprice Wizardry! And I thought I knew to handle nested tuplets…