Favor flats over sharps in transposed key signatures

Is there a way to tell Dorico to favor a key signature of 6 flats over 6 sharps with a transposing instrument? I have a piece in the key of E major and I’d prefer the transposed trumpet and clarinet staves be written in G flat rather than F sharp (my students are typically more comfortable with flats).

Thanks!

Jeremy

You can use Alt-Enter to modify a key signature for any staff independently. Maybe there’s a better way, but when I’ve had to do this I just clicked the Bb staves, Shift-K, Fb (instead of E for key sig), then Alt-Enter. When viewing transposed, those staves will now be in Gb.

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Ah, that’s easy enough. Thanks for the assist!

Well, here it is over four years later, and this continues to be great advice. Just ran into F♯ to G♭ issues myself.

Thanks.

English below.

Ik heb een soortgelijk probleem. Men leest in Transposed Pitch.

Ik heb een stuk in E majeur en E mineur, en een bariton saxofoon vriendin wil dit in 4 kruizen en vervolgens in 7 kruizen lezen.

Ik heb geprobeerd in Write/Transposed Pitch om met bovenstaande methode 7 kruizen op de Barton stave te plaatsen. Maar als ik (na Shift-K) cis of cb of ####### invoer maakt Dorico er toch weer 5 sharps van. Het lukt niet. Ook niet met Alt Enter
Vervolgens heb ik in Transposed Pitch van de weeromstuit met shift-K voor de bariton stave alle toonsoorten uitgeprobeerd (ab, bb, cb, db, eb, fb, gb, a#, b#, c#, d#, e#, f# en g#) om 7 kruizen in de key signature te krijgen. Lukt niet in Transposed Pitch.

Iemand?

I have a similar problem.

I have a piece in E major and E minor, and a baritone sax friend wants to read it in 4 sharps and then in 7 sharps. Is this normal?

I tried in Write/Transposed Pitch to put 7 sharps on the Barton stave using the above method. But when I enter (after Shift-K) c# or cis or #######, Dorico still makes 5 sharps. It doesn’t work. Not even with Alt Enter
Then, in Transposed Pitch, as an experiment I tried all the keys (ab, bb, cb, db, eb, fb, gb, a#, b#, c#, d#, e#, f# and g#) to get 7 sharps in the key signature. It doesn’t work in Transposed Pitch.

Anyone?

A baritone girlfriend? Heavy smoker? :wink:

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When you say “baritone”, are you talking about a singer, or the brass instrument that’s also called a euphonium? I’m assuming the instrument, since you talk about transposing. And you’re writing this in treble clef (Bb transposition)?

Are E major and E minor the concert keys, or the transposed keys? You say that E major is 4 sharps, which sounds like a concert key, but E minor concert would only be one sharp.

I’m just trying to clarify the facts of what you’re asking about.

OT: They are two quite different instruments. I realize that the actual baritones are nowadays almost exclusively found in British style brass bands and most wind bands only use euphoniums, even for the baritone parts, but that does not mean they are the same instrument. The actual Baritone has a distinct, more ‘lean’ timbre (if that makes sense in English) quite different from a euphonium. :slight_smile: In brass band scores they’re actually placed above the trombones rather than above the euphs, though they are traditionally seated in the same row.

But anyway, from the context I assumed Bb Baritone was meant, but the keys confuse me as well.

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Thanks for the tip. I edited my message.
It’s a (Eb) Bariton Sax player. The piece is in (sounding) E minor and E major and later on E minor again.

I’m trying to lift Sledgehammer (originally in Eb) one semitone to make it more suitable for jam sessions (guitarists)

I wrote / transcribed it in E minor Concert Pitch.
Off course I could choose to keep it in E minor and use accidentials for the E major piece. But the vocal piece to me sounds like E major (originally Eb major). That’s why I try to write it as it sounds to me. And that would be ideally E major / E minor / E major

Thanks in advance

Okay. So I think the issue is that Dorico puts the concert E major section into Db major for the baritone sax (5 flats), and you’d rather have it in C# major (7 sharps). Is that right?

Go to Notation Options > Accidentals > Transposition and untick the first box (“Prefer enharmonic key signatures with fewer accidentals”). Now the transposed baritone sax should be showing with 7 sharps.

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Yes your assumption is right.
Thanks! Finally I will be able to please the baritone sax reader, who prefers to read sharps above flats.