Fermata on caesura

[Mats_Frendahl]

S. Karg-Elert (again);

Is this a native function in Dorico or should I create a Playing Technique?

Perhaps there is a more modern notation today?

(The left hand inverted seems misplaced.)

[Lillie_Harris]

You can’t have two different holds and pauses at exactly the same rhythmic position, but even if you are able to input them at different rhythmic positions, there isn’t a native way of automatically positioning a fermata above a caesura, as far as I understand. (Does this simply mean a very long caesura? Perhaps using one of the alternative fermatas or caesuras could convey the same information?)

Otherwise, you could try editing the glyph for a caesura type you don’t use elsewhere in this project, and build in the fermata glyph. However, you wouldn’t be able to have the fermata appear both above and below the staff. If that flexibility is very important to you, you’ll probably need to use separate items and position them manually.

[Mats_Frendahl]

Thanks for info. I think only the “up”-version is needed and I probably will modify a caesura I don’t use, or create a “P.T.”. It is prob. better than 6 items to align in Engrave mode.
(I think fermata is generally used to “sustain” various ‘things’ in music, although I have not seen this version many times. Fermata over a barline is common and might mean the same thing, but a barline has no time value…. I’m not sure S. K-E’s notation is the best. It is not very clear.

[Lillie_Harris]

Thanks, yes I’m familiar with fermatas in music notation, it was more a comment on pairing two different ways of saying a fairly similar thing (“hold here”) together, when there are notations already for short/average/long fermatas, for example.

[Mats_Frendahl]

I think some ‘constellations’ were just ‘homemade’ notations in the 1800s with perhaps no general acceptance today. I will replicate it verbatim for now but perhaps replace it with something more modern (and better) later.

Edit: Not too bad;

(Is there not a rule that if caesura is at the end of a bar, then only a top one is needed? I think it’s somewhere in Gould.)

[Janus]

@Mats_Frendahl

I think some ‘constellations’ were just ‘homemade’ notations in the 1800s with perhaps no general acceptance today. I will replicate it verbatim for now but perhaps replace it with something more modern (and better) later.

Karg-Elert died in 1933, so unlikely to have been concocting many homemade notations in the 1800s.

FWIW I find the fermata over a caesura perfectly clear.

[fratveno]

@Janus

FWIW I find the fermata over a caesura perfectly clear.

Agree. And most organists (anyway) are hardly familiar with the more modern types of fermata present on Dorico’s palette…

[Mats_Frendahl]

Op. 33 was publ in 1905.

Good to hear that it is understood. I will keep it.

@fratveno: I agree.

[Derrek]

@Janus

Karg-Elert died in 1933, so unlikely to have been concocting many homemade notations in the 1800s.

If he did, he was literally “ahead of his time.”