For those who get no 'ping' working, can you teach me how to manually calculate the 'ping'?

Cubase
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Hello, been a day since searching and studying about this ‘ping’ thing inside Cubase.

So I am on mac osx (mojave), mac mini, cubase 12 pro for this one project,
planning on setting 3 stereo outs through ADAT expander (500adat) and 3 stereo outs through UFX ii analog outputs (3-4, 5-6, 7-8), and:
All I want is to send them and play them with correct timing.

I guess for my case, I have 2 different converters: 1. UFX ii (RME) 2. Cranbrone ADAT

So as long as I get these two different time shifting right, I should be ok.

first side question: for my testing, no matter how many plugins I insert, I don’t hear any ‘added’ latency, is this possible? if then, I shall I be ok, because as long as I can calculate delay for ‘one’ time from the start, all busses should play on time right?

I am sure there are few users who have similar scenario like me?
I am gonna feed these busses into 5057 summing mixer then ‘mix’ through its SUM stereo out through UFX ii returning inputs.

This could be very cumbersome, but I… wanted to try. (e.g. no offline export etc…)

There is engineer called ‘Teezio’ who mixes through the same summing mixer as 5057. But his setup is very different. He uses Lynx aurora (n) 24, 5057 orbit summing mixer, then he uses Pro Tools. I wonder how he deals with latency.

So, very major point for my case is that, ALL busses play through this 5057 summing mixer, so as long as they time-sync right, there is no need for me for this SUM sound to be aligned with anything else? (So that is relieving part)

How should I attack this right? thanks so much in advance, I know there are many many posts about similar issue, I read them all, and it seems for some, buggy, for some, flawless. So I… wanted to share my issue here.

One ‘catch’ could be… if latency variably ‘increases’ as plugins getting inserted throughout the busses, then… its a no no for me, then I cannot mix ‘through’ with this setup right… haha…

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I’m not 100% sure what you’re trying to do… but I had a 500ADAT and then replaced it with a Ferrofish and Wes Audio Titan chassis. In both cases, when I want to use a module (for example an 500 series EQ on ADAT channel 2) I would add the External Effect insert for that channel (just like any other plugin). When this is done, a small window appears where you can ping the hardware. Doing so adjusts the project to compensate

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Also… 500ADAT channels are mono. So you would need to combine 2 channels to make a stereo in/out… Meaning you need 2 identical 500 series modules. Or, you need one stereo module (such as a bus compressor) that takes 2 slots in the 500ADAT

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Sorry for my not-so-precise posting!

I have fixed the issue :slight_smile:

I am using direct outputs of 500adat for extra channel outputs for Summing Mixer :slight_smile:

I got the ping and now it is working well.

Every feed is now in sync, no delay :slight_smile:

sorry, yeah you are right! what you have commented is also right.

So, my ping issue has been fixed (I wrote it on other post)

I am very very sorry for being loud with ping issue ! lol

It is my fault for not writing precisely.

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No worries here. Glad you got it sorted out. Enjoy!

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I have another issue though!! haha… its fun but giving me a big headache aye! haha…
Learning everyday though!

So if you don’t mind, would you be able to read this post…?

So this man, is bussing out for summing mixer just like my case, but routing the return and making that as also external fx,

and he made the CUE mix toggle, and switching ITB mix and SUMMING mix freely…

Would you happen to teach me how to achieve this…??

Thank you in advance…

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I never got to use the summing mixer on my ADAT500 due to other issues with the units. That’s why I replaced it/them. But my understanding is that you would simply create another channel in Cubase External FX, give it a name like ‘Sum Bus’. This time though, it would be stereo and include the left and right channels for the summing mixer using 1/4 TRS cables. You’d use this Sum Bus as a Stereo Group Channel right before the main Stereo out in Cubase. Route your other channels (everything you want summed) to this Sum Bus group. You can then route that Sum Bus group to the main Stereo Out.

The thing to keep in mind is that the summing mixer is not using ADAT

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I will try again tonight! oh yeah yeah I am using its ‘direct outputs’ = so these are my extra analog outs for my summing mixer - neve orbit 5057. Yeah, sorry I confused you! haha…

I will mess with CUE mix (reference method) again on cubase …~! i will get back to it! :slight_smile:

Thanks for sharing your knowledge! :slight_smile:

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Found the way~!
After searching and reading about CUE MIX within control room!

You could actually ‘insert’ plugins right?
So I created ‘Analog Summing Return’ (= as External FX) with nothing sending but returning to the physical stereo inputs of my interface. 3-4

So, when engaging C1 + activating BUS (external FX I created), I hear the summing mix, and toggling back to mix + bypassing external inserts = ITB mix :slight_smile:

Ooh, it was all worth it!! studying and asking for help!

Now I get best in the both worlds (I hope…?) carefully comparing time to time, ITB mix with my Analog summing mix :slight_smile: (Not that it would make a huge difference)

Thank you :slight_smile:

Cubase is just brilliant!

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There would be so many personal ways though inside Cubase ! Crazy how deep it can go with routing system :slight_smile: Glad I’ve learnt this :slight_smile: