There was originally a section title between the two frames but I added a system so now the section title should be on the top of the next page. How do I get the bottom frame to start on the next page?
Thanks in advance
Hi @kevin.romero.gtr, did you drag out a new Music Frame directly into the layout? If so you have an override, and it is not the correct way to obtain what you want in this scenario.
Please upload your Dorico file so someone can give precise advice.
(Well you can first try yourself to remove the overrides from page 11, in Engrave mode upper right Pages panel, righ clicking on page 11 icon; then insert a Frame break at the desired bar, probably bar 170, using the left panel in Engrave mode)
Some observations:
- section title = possibly you mean Flow heading? (but looking at the music probably not…)
- “I added a system” = you cannot add systems, you can only add bars and Dorico will paginate the music into the necessary systems/frames/pages (the music flows…
) . In this scenario I think you added a Music Frame into the layout (which doesn’t give you the desired result).
C Family.dorico (1.7 MB)
I came from Finale and started learning by trial and error. There doesn’t seem to be a linear way to learn Dorico. Any suggestions for correcting my learning path?
Thanks for your help.
Recommended is to start here
That depends on your preference. Many people will prefer to watch videos while others, like me, prefer to read the manual. Or both! Regardless of method, make sure to not skip the basics.
This might be helpful too
I’d offer these suggestions:
- Enter all your notes, dynamics and musical instructions using Galley (or Fill) View. Don’t even think about how it looks like on the screen - everything can be changed later.
- When working on each layout, get your options right first, so most things look good and only override the exceptions.
- Learn how to set up and use Page Templates.
- If you are dragging lots of things around in Engrave mode, you have probably set a poor option somewhere.
But in general Experimentation is probably the best way to learn. Try things and see what happens.
Hi @kevin.romero.gtr, and thank you for the file.
Here I polished it a little. And I removed all overrides!!
One major suggestion is to don’t produce overrides (with manual local adjustments) but use global options to obtain what you need. Dorico will work for you with its algorithms. You can decide globally how you want things to look, and let Dorico adjust this things following your global Options.
You had page overrides on every page, and also manual staff spacings, then you had a fixed casting-off and some manual staff/frame breaks.
Of course some final manual adjustments may be necessary to obtain what you want, for example for page turnings, But manual overrides should be kept at a minimum and only at the very end of layouting process.
You can compare this file with your using the library manager…, or go through it, and study the changes that you can see. Otherwise ask.
Dorico file example:
C Family-v2.dorico (2.7 MB)
I wholeheartedly support @Janus’s recommendation. As one of the many 30+ year Finale refugees, I found that following that advice was extremely helpful to speed up my process immensely. Save the “tinkering” with the layout for last — no matter what! When it is time to adjust the layout, try changing the options to get as close as you can to what you want. You should only have to manually adjust something on rare occasions.
— Jim
Thank you. The only problem is that it sent all chord diagrams to the front end instead of with their chord symbols. That was part of the reason for modifying the staff positions in engrave mode. Did overriding the pages cause that?
No: it was a decision I made. To avoid all those diagrams in the middle of the music, needing so much vertical space.
Of course you can have them if you need. is only a choice.
Where chord diagrams appear is a setup and layout decision (nothing to do with frames)
You can have an instrument show both chord symbols and chord diagrams throughout the music and/or you can choose to show the chord diagrams only at the start of a flow and the chord symbols throughout the music.
Now, what is the best way to deal with pages that have those added diagrams and/or ossia staves? If casting off with four measures per staff and four staves per page will work for ost of the music, what is the best way to deal with abnormal spacing owed to diagrams and ossia staves?
Hi @kevin.romero.gtr, here I added the diagrams again, under the chord symbols (as well as the diagrams at the beginning of the piece).
Dorico file example:
C Family-v3.dorico (2.6 MB)
I increased in Layout Options the Top Music Frame Margin (as you also did), to make place for the diagrams (because on the top staff Dorico will not create space for extra text or extra items, giving priority to the alignment of the upper staff lines… this was also discussed many times).
Then I created a duplicate Default page template, in which I recreated the music frame (so it is not linked to the source page template, and is independent). For its music frames I customised the top padding (which substitutes the large music frame top margin of layout options):
I assigned this page template to the pages that don’t have the diagrams on the top staff, while the other pages are using the Default page template:
Finally I forced 4 systems on page 10 (with Make Into Frame), and added a note spacing change on page 12 to avoid an orphan system on par. 14.
At this stadium is now the right moment to make some very minor manual staff spacing, for example on Pag. 8:
