Global stack bad effect?

Hi everyone, for long monthes, I’ve been trying to set projects for live shows, but with bad experience. I need to mix (live) 2 vocal tracks, 1 audio track for a backing track, and 1 audio track for gtr. I set my audio interface (Scarlett 8I6) to have 2 separate in ear mixes (one with the main out, and the other with a specific mix). First : to have FX (plug in inserts in a dedicated stack) in the second mix, I’m obliged to double the vocal tracks and the FX stacks to get possibiliy of two different “FXed” mixes. Am I right ? And second : I thought that global tracks would be available for each songs (singed song for me) but curiously : if it works for the first song, I can’t understand why vocals are hearable (with effects) in the second song independantly from the track set : track muted and sound still going on with effects… The question is : what’s the best way of setting a project with differents songs and two different mixes ? Many thanks !!!

Hi! which verion you use now?

Second:

  • Global Stacks are / project
  • NonGlobal Stacks are / PART
    Or course you can combine them. Also:
    consider the difference between Stack’s self contained FX slots VS Mixer GroupChannel with insert FX’s (e.g. for globally used REV, DLY, etc…)

Finally you can create a Monitor SUMM ch (GROUP or OUT Channel) to collect different “ingerdients” to be sent IEM.

(and always check your Devices / Connections to be sure all goes where your want)
I hope some hints helped :slight_smile:

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Hi ! thanks for helping.
My version is the last one (2.2 and something :wink:
I understand that global stack is project but the question is : why acting on a track in added songs is not effective (muting a track doesn’t cut the sound). What did I wrong ? and also : as I need 3 or 4 plug ins to sculpt my sound (per track : compression, EQ, FX 1 reverb and FX2 delay), what’s the best way : insert or Stacks FX1 and 2 ? Thanks again !

That depends. If you always use the same inserts, you may consider to use a Group Channel, or a Stack in the Global Part.
Otherwise, it doesn’t really matter whether you use Stack Inserts, or the Stack Channels’ Inserts. Stacks are convenience “sub-mixers”, but their output channel can well be used for further (or only) inserts.

Speaking of that… today I discovered another way to personalize inserts at song level for a global stack …. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

As you may know I have global stacks and I record separate tracks on each song , track input physical connection, output global stack … so I have also recording tracks inserts … !! For a total of 8 track inserts (pre-stack, song exclusive), 4 inserts plus 2 internal sends in the global stack, and post stack 8 global stack mixer channel inserts and 8 channel external sends…. A s**t load of options here !!!

Cheers!!

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The global stack does not have a “track” in the songs, it have a global channel in the mixer, and everything you put in global stack inserts or global mixer channel inserts stays active for every song. I don’t know what track you are trying to mute In a song, expecting it to mute the global stack.

You can create audio tracks in each song and connect to the global stack. Create the global part and then global stack, then in a specific song, create an audio track, and set input to your audio interface input, and set output to the global stack. Switch monitor (and record if you want) ON to ear your live sound. Then, all inserts on stack and on mixer channel will stay globally, but if you put inserts in the audio track you just created ( in the inspector or expanding the song channel in the mixer, not on the stack channel) they will be song exclusive.
Cheers, Ciro.

Hi @ciro1983811 I tried something like before but somehow the system become confused, but that was a while ago… :wink: soundz amazing :slight_smile:

Hi @fkalmus , I did it for 50 songs in a project, and 7 global stacks. Each song have 7 audio tracks connected to the 7 global stacks (so I can multitrack record the live performance!!), I now have three of this songs with special effect inserts on the bass channel connected to the bass global stack. I even automated this “song exclusive” effects alongside the other global effects automations, It works flawlessly now!!

Ciao!

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Hey @ciro1983811 !

You can also connect a Local Stack to a Global Stack for Song level processing. I do this with Waves harmoniser, which is set up as an effect loop in an X32.

Flexible stuff VSTL…

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Well … I spoke too soon … it works ok if you use fixed inserts and no automation, but when you create an automation for the inserts in the track connected to the global stack, when setting this up it works ok, then you save, exit, reopen, the automation connection is wrong … i’ll open a thread to see if devs can fix it easily or not, iknow it is a niche case, not many users will be so crazy to use it but it is an effective way to add song level extra inserts on a global stack …

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Maybe my solution would work for you: my Global Stack → Virtual Audio → Local Stack and automate the Local Stack. Maybe that’ll hold the automation mappings as it will all be part of the Song.

Of course there is the issue of drop outs on Part change when you have multiple Parts (reported elsewhere) but your inserts will only be instantiated in the particular song, so may help with resource management.

Another thought is that directing your automation through Virtual MIDI may be more successful.

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