Are there just certain items that are not affected by Global vs Local in the Properties Panel? I move a System Text in the Score, with Global set, and nothing moves in the parts, except for the 1st part. I move a Section Letter and it only moves in the score and not the parts, except for the first part. I move one of those items in the 3rd part and the score and other parts are unaffected. Yet I’ve had times, editing my parts, and I moved something, and Global was set, and when I went back to the score, it had moved in the score. Not sure what I’m missing.
This is quite complicated and I must admit I struggle to remember what changes what. I do know from experience that you should never try and change enharmonics in the parts!
I think that system-attached items basically have different copies of the item attached to different staves. When you move a system-attached item over the top staff in a score, you’re moving one specific copy of the item, and that copy is moved globally (in the score and part). When you move one of these items in a part, that change doesn’t reflect in the score unless the item is also displaying over that staff in the score.
The issue is with System Text and Section Letters. If I move the System text in the score, its adjustment only affects the top instrument. It doesn’t adjust where it shows in all the other parts. I have to then manually adjust that same System Text in all the parts except for the first part. That’s the issue that I’m wondering if I’m doing it wrong, or that’s just the way it is. If so, it would be better if when you adjust a System Text item in the score, it should reflect that adjustment to all of the parts it show in, when you have Globally Set.
When you move it in the score, it’s only displaying above the top instrument, right? That’s why it only affects the layout for the top instrument – it affects that staff globally.
You didn’t move the (invisible) copies of the text above the other staves, so the text doesn’t get moved in those layouts.
Try this: Move a piece of system text, and then go into Layout Options > Staves and Systems > System-attached Items and set system text to show above other families or instruments. You’ll see that the system text appears above the other staves in its original position, because you only moved the system text above one staff.
In Engrave mode, with system text showing above multiple staves, you can move each instance of the text individually. With Set Local Properties set to Globally, this will affect the text in the corresponding layout(s), but it will not affect other staves or layouts.
So basically, there’s no way to move it in all the staves Once! Got it. That’s a lot of editing!
A feature request. Have an option to move System Text globally and have it move in all parts. If it appears in the Score in the correct position, there should be a way to have it appear in all the parts in the same position. I mean it’s really only 1 text.
I understand your point, and I agree that there are times when this would be nice.
I think the general approach would be a command that could be invoked on any instance of any system-attached item that would copy all of that instance’s offsets to all the other instances. I have no idea how feasible that would be, of course, and I can think of several complicating factors.
In Layout Options, if you have System-attached Items set to show above all instruments. You can select a System Text in Write Mode, then switch to Engrave mode and it selects all of the copies in all the parts, so you can move them together. I bit cumbersome, but at least it’s an option.
You’d have to reset to show about the top stave afterwards.
Except that you CAN propagate note spelling from parts to the score. I’ve been doing this from time to time recently.
Correct.
I guess this applies to this same topic. I have some grace notes that have slurs to the next note. The slurs don’t look right, so I edited them in the score, expecting that they would also be edited in the parts. This is the results.
Origanal Score
Original Part
Edited slur in Score
Edited slur in Part
Not sure what to make of this??? How to fix it??? When I look the properties panel, the alterations are the same.
The properties panel was set to Global.
Unfortunately, engrave mode edits don’t usually work well when the properties are set to global, since different layouts usually have different horizontal spacing. I find I get better results editing slurs if I keep properties set to local, and adjust them independently in the score and part.
Can you share your score, or a cut down version of it that demonstrates the issue? Maybe just that instrument, just a few bars?
Slur Issue.dorico (2.2 MB)
It edited slurs are in bar 1. I find the slurs are inconsistent, some look fine and others are really off. Guitar 1, bar 1 vs bar 7. Bar 7 the slurs are the same in both the score and parts, but bar 1 they are not. The one with ledger lines seem to be the worse. some times they try to avoid them, others not. See Gtr 1 bar 7.
Looking at bar 1, guitar 1, as you can see from your screenshots above, the initial positions of the slur are different in score and part.
I think this has to do with the space between the grace note and main note; if you nudge the grace note in the part to the right in Engrave mode, the left end of the slur will eventually slide up to match the score.
The reason that they continue to look different after you’ve globally adjusted the look is that the properties involved are offsets, not fixed positions.
Since the initial positions of the slur are different in score and part, they remain different when you apply equal offsets to them. So this is a case where you need to adjust the slur locally in score and part.
I understand what you’re saying. The issue is that neither one of them is correctly notated. So you have to adjust both. There are several places where the slur avoids the accidental and others where it collides, see Gtr 1, bar 6. Places where the end of the slur is nowhere near the note heads. Bar 1 for example. Compared to bar 2 where the slurs are in the correct positions. There doesn’t seem to be any reason for the placements of the slurs. Gtr 2, bar 1, there’s no accidental to avoid, yet the slur goes away from the note. There seems to be more problems when there are ledger lines. I guess there’s still a lot of work to be done.
See Bar 7. The slurs are the same for both notes in Gtr 3, but different for both in Gtr 2, which has ledger lines, even though they are the same notes.