Hi - I am trying to recreate the tablature example in the attached jpeg (taken from a Hal Leonard score). A guitar bend is on a tied note the bend is shown at the first point the note appears on the tab.
Tie Test.dorico (463.1 KB)
I can’t reproduce this in Dorico - in the attached Dorico project I have the ‘Hide fret numbers and ties’ option selected. This works for the first bar where there is a tied note but no bend. But it doesn’t work for the second bar where the second tied note appears and the bend is attached to that. I can’t move the bend from Engrave either.
I have some pieces where bends are commonly across tied notes and it is very difficult to play without the bend appearing on the note when it is first printed.
Is there a way I can make the bend example in bar 2 appear as it does in bar 1 and in the Hal Leonard example please?
Many thanks,
Mike
You’re currently using a post-bend rather than a bend - post-bends happen at the end of a note so that’s why it’s forcing the tied-to note to appear. You need to create two notes - one for the fretted pitch and one for the target pitch - and then create a bend between them.
Hi - a post-bend doesn’t mean the bend happens at the end of a note, it means that the bend is applied as soon as notes start to sound. That is the definition given in Dorico’s own help page:
“The guitar post-bend is a technique commonly performed on electric guitars, where the performer pushes strings out of their normal alignment after notes start to sound.”
Is there a way I can show the post bend on the first printed instance of the tied note on the tab to reflect how it is actually played?
Many thanks
Mike
I think in this case it’s actually the help page that’s possibly giving the wrong impression here (I’m part of the Dorico development team). I think you want either a pre-bend or a bend. Attached are some examples:
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Many apologies, the file I attached before will probably crash in your version of Dorico as it is from an internal development build. Try this one:
bends.dorico (1.3 MB)
Hi Richard - thank you for taking the time to produce those examples - I should be able to use one of those methods for most cases.
Another example from the same piece is a microtonal 1/4 bend for a blues note across a tie. How would I show that appearing at the first time the note is printed please?
I still believe that the ‘post’ in post-bend refers to ‘post the striking of the note’ rather than post the note itself for almost all actual guitar playing. But if there were a workaround or ‘proper’ route for the microtonal blues bend it would mean I have a working solution for most things I commonly do.
Many thanks
Mike
In Dorico’s terminology a post-bend is a bend right at the end of the note, after its notated duration - this is by analogy to a pre-bend which is right at the beginning of the note, before the note’s duration. We weren’t aware of any existing use of the phrase “post-bend” when we added it (it doesn’t appear in the published tab we have seen), but perhaps other people mean different things by it.
For a microtonal bend it depends how you want it to appear. You can use microtones explicitly, by creating a 24-EDO tonality system and then bending to a quartertone pitch. There is also an option for post-bends only to enable a “Microtone bend” property, as it’s such a common notation on post-bends.
microtones.dorico (1.3 MB)
Thanks Richard - I guess the ideal solution would be a notation like that of the microtone post-bend for the first example in your Microtones project, but the notation you’ve produced there looks exactly right for the tab and just has the slightly weird looking vertical arrow on the stave. I’ll use that for my piece.
That weird vertical arrow is the “quarter-tone sharp” accidental - there are some other accidentals to choose from there. There’s more about this in the manual Microtonal accidentals
Thanks again, Richard.
Attached (in the centre of the picture) is a picture of how Hal Leonard notate a quarter tone bend across a tie which is quite similar to your last example.
Yep, you can do that with the “Stein-Zimmermann” tonality system.
SZ microtone.dorico (525.7 KB)
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