Harp Tremolos

Dorico
#1

Hey,

I’ve got another harp related problem. I want to notate a harp trem on a chord which should indicate to my knowledge a fast arpeggiation of the chord, like heard in this video:

https://youtu.be/UM9B4zzeFYc?t=530

Sure enough, Doricos Tremolo tool doesn’t take that into account, and interprets this like a string tremolo (repeating the whole chords in short amounts of time). This is ok I guess, as the ornamental use is perhaps a bit specific. My question is just: Is there a workaround, which gives me the “look” of the trem and the playback of a fast arpeggiation? I tried manually fiddeling with the notes in the playback tab, but this is very labor intensive and a bit of a nightmare. Also, I don’t want to add additional tracks.
I tried messing with the ossia tool (while keeping the chord with trem, trem playback-switched off in the main staff), but ossias can’t play back, as mentioned in this site: https://steinberg.help/dorico_pro/v3/en/dorico/topics/notation_reference/notation_reference_staves/notation_reference_staves_ossia_c.html?hl=ossia

So, is there any another way to achieve a harp trem?

Thanks in advance!

#2

How are you attempting to notate this? As a single chord with a stroke through it, or as two notes with strokes between them?

#3

Isn’t this notated as a 2-note tremolo? Or with the two strings tuned to the same pitch, for a bisbigliando.
trem.png

#4

Agreed with Rob, the two notes cannot be stacked, or as you said, notated on a chord, will need to be side by side.

#5

Hey!

Thank you all for your feedback, unforunately, it isn’t exactly what I search for. Please see the attached file.

1 is how I want to notate the trem
2 is how it sounds by default
3 is how I want it to sound (some something similar, exact note values obiously don’t matter that much here, Edit: Sorry, I messed a bit up, last note should be a g obviously)
4 is how I can write a 2-note tremolo
5 is how a 2-note tremolo sounds, which is close but not the same.

Any idea where to go from there?

Thanks again!

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#6

You can’t influence how Dorico will play a single-note tremolo in order to make it a “rolled” tremolo. It would be nice if Dorico interpreted that kind of tremolo in that way, not only for harp but also for mallet percussion which requires a similar approach, but that’s not a feature that the software has today.

#7

If you are using a harp library that has a recorded tremolo (or bisbigliando), you could map that to the expression maps for better playback

#8

Hi OP, I tried getting the result you’re looking for, and here’s my shot at it. Does it sound like what you want it to be?
harpbis.zip (1.25 MB)

#9

Hey, sorry for the late reply, but this was pretty much was I was looking for, it works!

It would still be nice to have this to be handled in Dorico so that one could use a prettier notation, but that would be just a cherry on top. As of now, this workaround is great! :slight_smile:

#10

I’ve seen this notated like option 4 above but also (I recall) as a triplet. When I tried to do that, playback only trem’s the first two notes and then played(upload://uEqyX9GmPwucGE8xd5VSUqC13QK.dorico) (363.3 KB) the third as a single note separately. I wasn’t too surprised; I was kind of stretching things there. But what did surprise me was not being able to show the tuplet number regardless of Properties settings.
tripletTremTrouble.zip (357.3 KB)

#11

How about if you put this in an extra staff below, hide it and select the ”suppress playback” for the prettier notation? Of course only after you are done composing!