HELP! Steinberg Activation Manager causing real problems

Hello,
We’re slowly migrating our systems over from Nuendo 10/11 to Nu13 with Steinberg licensing.

@Timo_Wildenhain - HELP! please.
A - This first one will be disastrous - with Nuendo 13 activated on a computer, signing out of Steinberg Activation Manager DEACTIVATES THE LICENSE! How is that possible? We CANNOT leave these systems logged in to our account, the 10 systems are deployed on a hundred or more large television productions each year with varying operators and varying degrees of competency and honesty. Having the operator able to access OUR account or else the software DOESN’T WORK??? How is that logical? Has the person who programmed this piece of software never been in a production environment?
I NEED TO KNOW how to manage this! This will destroy our Nuendo licensing, cost us thousands of dollars, and is against every IT SOP we’ve ever encountered. Auto-login? Full-time logged-in? That’s a giant error in every IT system.
HELP!!!

On to the weird issues.

B - When moving licenses around you must log out of SAM manually, it doesn’t log you out when you quit the program. Again - has no one ever worked in an IT environment? That’s irresponsible. Of course referring to issue A, we can’t proceed anyway. Ugh.

C - When moving licenses around in the shop for deployment on systems, to see what is licensed and it’s location you must select the account button, select My Steinberg, be taken to a site via browser, log in again, click through a marketing notice, select Products, select Steinberg Licensing, then you can click some more to see what computers are activated under which licenses, multiples are listed separately. That takes too much time, this is television not bedroom beat making.

D - The first Nu13 license purchased I received a download code, entered it in SAM, and after a few things it was fine and activated the installed product. The second Nu13 license I purchased I entered the download code in SAM and it would not proceed, it kept saying “pending”. No explanation.
Steinberg has an article about that, I had to open Steinberg Download Manager (another app), and enter into that for some weird reason. I can speculate that it’s because the product was already activated on the computer I was using to purchase the second license, but that’s a weird and counter-productive workaround. Why can’t the second (and in our case the 3rd through 10th) license(s) be not “pending” but be available for activation? Why can’t I purchase another license on an activated computer without weirdness?

E - Launching SAM on a deactivated computer, all the licenses come up to “Activate”. How is a not-terribly-bright shop person, prepping a system, supposed to know? Should they click one of them, all of them, or panic? I tested clicking both available licenses, it activated Nuendo TWICE and used up TWO license activations. Again, not well thought out.
I could leave the “auto-activate” selector in Settings engaged, but the auto activate is slow so the shop person will see the Activate selector and select it. Who knows what happens then with auto and manual.

F - Launching SAM on an activated computer, one license gives the option to Deactivate and the other license gives the option to Activate. What is a shop person supposed to do? They will Activate because it says so, which means that computer will have TWO SIMULTANEOUS activations, and if this moves forward they may even have all 10 simultaneously.

That’s the start. I understand this is new to Steinberg but these kinds of issues are exactly why we didn’t jump on early. The eLicensers worked well for us, everything dies including eLicensing, we’re attempting to move on. But it appears Steinberg did not speak to folks with significant Nuendo deployments in real production environments to see what was needed. Plus basic IT protocols.

If you’ve made it this far I REALLY need some help on item A. This will destroy our account, our licenses, and cost us extraordinary amounts of money.
HELP.

Sincerely,
Hugh

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https://steinberg.help/multiuser-guide/deployment-automated/

Hello Steffen,

Thank you for the response. I read through the referenced links and there are two issues -

First - If it solved our issue of having operators harm our account I would say - I have no issues with cli but expecting shop folks to do that, well, imagine it.

Second - Perhaps I’m misunderstanding but reading through the docs you referenced the cli process is welcome (for me) but it doesn’t solve the issue we’re going to have. SAM must be logged in or the activation disappears. An operator will launch SAM and harm the activations and potentially our account.
Unless I’m reading it incorrectly the cli scripts offer good functionality but do not allow SAM to be logged out.
I could uninstall SAM so they can’t get to it but then moving activations around won’t work.
I can’t see a way around this.

If anyone has a suggestion please let me know. This issue is not one user whining, as I originally stated it will harm our activations and our account.

Sincerely,
Hugh

Hello,

Further testing indicates my concerns are correct - preventing operators’ ability to harm our account by uninstalling Steinberg Activation Manager removes the functionality of the cli deployment tools due to runtime dependencies.
Meaning - so far there’s no way I can prevent a user from being logged into our Steinberg account.

This is not a classroom - seemingly the intended market for the cli tools - where a teacher can monitor the students to prevent SAM misbehavior. These systems are deployed in studios, post houses, sound stages, production trucks - places where the operators are not prevented from doing problematic things.

Therefore - we desperately need a method whereby a user cannot get access to our Steinberg account nor the system’s activations. Only we can have access to that. Similarly to an iLok - we never give operators our iLok creds for obvious reasons.

I predict I will lose the following with this SAM implementation -
A - A show because the operator de-activated the system by accident and blamed the gear as they usually do.
B - A rental because the show was lost.
C - A long-term client because we supplied them with defective systems.
D - A lawsuit from the production company because we cost them money.
E - Multiplied by as many problematic operators that we come into contact with, which is a lot.

Desperate for a solution,
Sincerely,
Hugh

Hello @Hugh,

Do your operators log in with their own local user accounts on the computer? Or do they share a single local user account?

Once you have activated the licenses you need, you can enable for all local user accounts on the computer using this step:

https://steinberg.help/multiuser-guide/deployment-manual/#enable-access-for-all-users

If your operators are all using the same local computer account, then you should sign out of Steinberg Activation Manager and the “all users” license will be picked up.

I hope this helps!

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Were these licenses updates from a previous (eLicenser) version of Nuendo? If so, you need to redeem the Download Access Code in Steinberg Download Assistant while the corresponding eLicenser license is present.

How often do you move licenses around? If you do this regularly, drop me a PM and we can discuss the options open to you.

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Hello Ben,

Thank you for the responses. Some answers to your questions/notes -

These systems are deployed at the various locations mentioned above as needed for specific shows. The operators are whoever is hired for that day therefore it’s not possible for them to have their own system account. But the account doesn’t matter in this case because SAM must be logged in to OUR Steinberg account - no matter the user account - for the license to function, and that’s dangerous.

That’s my point - if we sign out of SAM then Nuendo doesn’t work. Or put another way - for Nuendo to work the operator has to have access to our Steinberg account. Dangerous.

I figured that out thanks to the Steinberg support article. I could debate the user ergonomics of this but at the moment I’m focused on not allowing users to harm our Steinberg account. Software UX design consultation can come at a later date.

The frequency of license moving is still being figured out. Previously with eLicensers we installed Nuendo on all 40+ of our daws and moved the eLicensers and iLoks around as needed for each show. With Steinberg Licensing I may need to activate on as many as possible (eventually 30) while still only putting 10 at a time in use (the number of purchased licenses). I’m not trying to use more than I have purchased, but as previously noted having shop folks moving licenses around is dangerous.

However - I keep coming back to the “emergency” (to us) situation - an operator has access to our Steinberg Licensing account because SAM MUST be signed in to our account or Nuendo won’t work. This is dangerous.

I will PM you as you offered, maybe we can figure something out.

Sincerely,
Hugh

The short answer is: Yes, we thought about this and there is a way of leaving an activated license on the device without needing to remain logged in to your Steinberg ID.

For example, this would work for you too:

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I do believe that there should be a “viewer only” version of the account that would only be able to check for available licenses but not interfere with anything else. This would allow each machine to be logged in, but would not enable anything other than authorising the machine to use a license.
A shadow account if you will.

Hello,

Ben had the answer - using offline activation does not require the activated computer to be logged in which I did not know. After offline activation if you connect it to the internet and open SAM the license remains activated but not logged in.

However I did find an issue with this process, I’m hoping I’m missing something.
I haven’t been able to figure out how to deactivate a computer that’s been offline activated.

Connecting the activated offline computer to the internet and launching SAM, if I log in to SAM the computer loses the offline activation, there’s no way around that. That’s fine I suppose (although a bit odd).
However that activation is not made available in our account, MySteinberg still indicates the offline computer is activated despite the fact that I logged in and the activated was removed (Nuendo is no longer activated). That activation is not available for another computer.

Fortunately I was able to use the license activation file to re-activate the original computer so it’s not completely lost, but I can’t move that activation despite the computer being de-activated.

In theory I could lodge a support request with Steinberg every time I de-activate a computer, but that will not work because it will take a long time to be available and also will look a bit suspicious.

Any idea on how to make this work?

Thanks,
Hugh

Sometimes it takes some time to update the available licences.

Hello Steffen,
Thanks for your response.
Yes, I thought the same yesterday so I waited 6 hours then checked.
After your response I checked again this morning.

Between relinquishing the offline license by logging in online and checking this morning it’s been approximately 20 hours and the license is still activated to the once-offline-activated, now deactivated computer.

If I’m doing it incorrectly - mixing offline activation and online deactivation - I’m fine with changing the deactivation process, but there appears to be no way to deactivate offline to restore an activation. The license appears forever tied to that computer which I suspect is incorrect.

I’ll check again tomorrow - after 48 hours of deactivation - and see what happens.

Sincerely,
Hugh

Hello,
Continuing with finding the failure modes before I lose a show over it, I waited approximately 80 hours after signing in to SAM forced the offline activation to be forfeited. Our account still says that computer is using an activation even though the online sign-in forced the activation to be forfeited. So this doesn’t work. I’ve found a few things to illustrate -

Here’s a picture of the offline-activated computer -

I don’t really understand why the offline activation must be forfeited when signing in to SAM, what should occur is the offline activation should be kept and once signed in to SAM the option should exist to deactivate the offline while online thereby freeing up the license.
Instead you must immediately forfeit the offline license if you sign in to SAM meaning if I sign in to SAM to activate something else, Nuendo is deactivated and I have to reactivate Nuendo -

Here’s the computer after sign-in, no activations on it -

The Steinberg account still says the activation is used despite SAM knowing well that it’s not used. This is not a time issue, the previous test was 80 hours -

The former-offline computer signed in and activated online as a test -

I then deactivated the former-offline computer while online, here’s the account -

Conclusion - there are some programming inconsistencies here.
A - Deactivating an offline computer by taking it online with a forced forfeiture does not make the activation available even though it’s deactivated and online and SAM knows about it.
B - You must forfeit the offline by going online, activate the license, deactivate the license, then it’s made available. Confusing but at least I’ve figured this out.
C - Why must you forfeit an activation if taking the computer online? What if I want to take it online briefly to activate some other Steinberg product? Nuendo then no longer works and I must work harder to get it back. Weird and not a good method.

Further conclusion -
I think I now have a method to not lose a show or our entire account over Steinberg Licensing -
A - Activate everything offline so operators are not logged in to our account. Very important.
B - Activate up to the maximum number of activations allowed so our shop folks won’t have to handle activation/deactivation which would be problematic at best.
C - Only deploy the number of simultaneous Nuendo daws as our licensing permits - one per license. The others are not used simultaneously.

Thanks to the Steinberg folks in this thread who assisted (and helped me to spend entirely too much time) figuring out how to manage this. The loss of eLicensing will be a pain for us but at least there may be a way forward.
SAM still needs some work as I noted above, but I can manage as it is.

Sincerely,
Hugh

I’m glad you found a solution that works for you.

A simpler solution would be to create a local computer admin user account that your operators don’t have access to on the machine, sign in with your Steinberg ID, enable the licenses for all user on the computer using this script and then just log out of the local computer account and log back into the operator’s local computer account.