Please see the scores of the Minuet-Trio movements (usually the 2nd or 3rd movement) in the four-movement works (symphonies, string quartets, piano sonatas, etc.) written by Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven. It is the convention to have a time signature at the beginning of the Trio part, and not to have cautionary time signature at the end of the Minuet part (But cautionary key signature is placed in most cases if Trio part has different key signature).
For example.
Mozart, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, K. 525, 3rd movement.
Breitkopf & HƤrtel Edition, IMSLP #01776, Youtube Link
I think there is certainly an argument to be made that we should support this kind of appearance as part of the work that still remains to be done on handling items like clefs, time and key signatures in connection with repeat structures.
Is possible to force a time signature to appear at the beginning of any measure, or before an initial upbeat, within a single flow, even if there has been no actual change of meter? Iām thinking of sets of variations, in which it is traditional to place a time signature at the beginning of each variation but not at the end of the previous one, a case somewhat like the one given above by tomotomo2 regarding dance movements with trios sections. (Sorry if this has been discussed; I did look over this long thread to some extent.)
The current version of Dorico does not have an ability to hide a cautionary time signature in the end of a system. However, there is a workaround using Coda.
I hate to bring this old chestnut up again, but Iām currently working on an anthology of pieces that alternates between plainsong and figural music. Iām using imported graphics for the plainsong.
At the end of figural verses, I often get cautionary time sigs for the next verse, which is both unnecessary and confusing, given that thereās a plainsong verse inbetween.
I could use separate flows, except that Iām using them at the āhigherā structural level for each piece, with flow heading, First Masters, etc.
Iām therefore using Codas, which is the standard workaround.
Hereās a suggestion: An Engraving/Notation Option to allow or prevent cautionaries after a final barline?
Just my 10p (as a Brit),
These, after all, are just cautionary/courtesy indications which donāt change the music.
Is there any deep reason why they canāt be allowed to be hidden either in the various option menus or in properties?
(After all, weāre not forced to add cautionary accidentals to individual notes.)
I have to do the same thing but for key signatures in virtually all my etude and pattern exercises for students. I use Flows for each separate exercise and then Codas to hide the unnecessary cautionary key sigs. When an exercise is modulating according to a pattern the standard is to not show cautionary key sigs.
Probably most everyone here has a copy of the Hanon studies laying around. Flip to any of the exercises that progress major then relative minor through the cycle of fourths. Thereās not a cautionary key sig to be found in the entire book.
It is a real pain as this function is still not available on Dorico 4. Daniel, you where asking why do people need it?
Just one example. I am creating a worksheet. Each flow has hist theme and name. Anyway on one single particular flow, I would like to create few exercises - each line with different time signatures without cautionary time signatures on the end of each line. Instead of hiding a cautionary time signature, Dorico makes me to allow the next flow on a same page, what creates unwelcome flow headings. If I turn flow headings off, all my flows are losing their automatic numeration and names. Does it have to be so complicated to hide an item? It seams a simple āhideā function will be avoided in Dorico concept as far as possible making all the users to search for complicated and quite unintuitive solutions. Is there some solution in my case? Please help to understand. Do I miss something? And one more thing to mentionā¦this discussion started in 2016. 8 years are goneā¦Hm
I am sorry, I didnāt understand what you mean under āyou can do better than thatā. There is no need to read every single post starting 2016 in order to ask again for this feature. I just wondering why there is still no solutionā¦
Thank you so much, Marcā¦I discovered your post after I wrote minesā¦Very helpful. I hope one day Dorico will be able to do it in more easy and convenient way
Please forgive me for not going thru every reply in this. But I have a situation that needs to hide cautionary clef. If this as a function is no available in Dorico, could anyone point out or suggest a workaround for this?
Here is the galley view, in the middle of a movement, I need to split Vc section into a stave for 4 soli, and a stave for rest of the section. The soli group uses treble clef and rest of the group stays in bass clef.
I speak as a non-Dorico user who doesnāt know a thing about how the program does such things, but couldnāt the solo celli constitute a new āinstrumentā staff added to the score in the treble clef and the rest of the celli simply continue the cello section in the bass clef so that a cautionary clef would not appear on that staff?
In any case, in my opinion, it should be possible to show or hide every element in the score.
