hide cautionary clefs, keys and time signature

Hi everybody,

currently I’m making an arrangement of “You can’t always get what you want”. In fact – the Rolling Stones do a biiiiiiig accelerando over the whole song (6 min.) So – I wanted to hear this accelerando, otherwise I couldn’t really arrange the end of the song because the playback is much to slow (and yes – I need to hear what I arrange). So – I created this big accelerando (170 bars, 111% tempo change) and it sounds perfect. Now I have to hide this accelerando because the orchestra shouldn’t see it. It’s a “natural” thing the conductor and the drummer will do and no player should be informed about it.

But: No hiding option. I tried some transparency stuff, but it still destroyed my layout because it’s still “there”. So what will I do: Everytime I will export or print the music, I will delete the accelerando. :slight_smile: I don’t think, this is the way dorico should work. :wink:

Therefore: Please create a function to hide elements!

I think you can now draw this in the play mode, and it will be invisible.

If you watch the new video on automation, it shows something along these lines. See here, around 2:13 How to Work With Automation in Dorico | Getting Started with Dorico 2 - YouTube



Robby

Precisely. I’m using this regularly and loving it! Pencil tool for little nuances, and line tool for gradual accel or rit.

Okay. That’s cool. :slight_smile:

Edit: I tried it. In fact – I would like to use the “musical idea” of an accelerando instead of clicking some absolute tempo changes in abstract lines, hoping to get the right tempo change (it takes so much longer in this case) – so I stick to my opinion.

Edit 2: Hm. Maybe it’s a good idea after all as I can edit really precisely in the main score. I will give it a try. :slight_smile:

I don’t mean to open an old thread (off topic no less), but I haven’t found a better place to post this feature request:

It would be awesome if we could type into the meter popover: “3/4, hide” and have it add the meter change and set the property to “hide time signature” automatically. This would speed up processing for me quite a bit since Dorico doesn’t currently handle short final measures that accommodate an anacrusis. I could also use it for “open, hide” etc. when setting psalms.

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You may know this, but you’re adding an unnecessary step. Simply add a final bar line after the final note, then delete the final 1-beat “bar.” No need for creating and hiding a 3/4!

Still a two-step process but I’m glad to know about this trick too. (Although I still think my suggestion would be a good thing to implement if possible.)

I agree, that would be a nice modifier for the command string!

FWIW you do not need to input a time signature change to shorten a bar. Just invoke the caret where you want the measure to end, shift-b and “fine” in that popover. Then trim flow. Way faster to do than describe it!

Is this in plans for the future?

Yes, Josue, it’s planned, but in an indefinite way, i.e. we’re not working on it at the moment and don’t know when we will.

Here an example, where hiding cautionary time signatures would make sense. It’s ugly to see the big time signatures at the end of each system. The only workaround would be to cut the score in flows.

UMahnken - This is far from an ideal solution, but instead of cutting the score into flows, perhaps you could put system breaks before these measures?

Sorry, but this makes no difference.

Yes, I do agree that in the case that you are showing time signatures outside the staff, there would be something to be said for not showing them at the end of the system. This is something we’ve discussed before and will perhaps add an option for in future.

Hello Daniel, hello everyone, here I am again and to open this and other topics again, I will have to start by quoting myself :slight_smile:

I hide 100 cautionaries in one file with “split flow” - workaround. (as I realized flows are great organizational concept)
I have now 100 flows. Great, I can choose with few click what to print what not. I like it.
But as I earlier quoted few or more problems could arise.
First one, I want to make xml export, it is not individual and I finished with 100 small xmls.
Second one I wanted to make workaround to put numbered rehearsal marks on the beginning of each flow, everytime i have number 1 its not successive. Obviously, Dorico can’t understand that these are not separate files and that these are just flows made to avoid cautionaries not to make different parts of symphony.
So, in this light I plead for several functions:

  1. Merge flows
  2. Export 1000 small xml’s as one
  3. Make rehearsal marks successive thru flows
    I write this here in this tread cause these are problems that happened after I made 100 flows to avoid cautionaries.
    I write this wishing to contribute to greatness of developer works to improve Dorico.
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I agree that it would be helpful to have rehearsal marks optionally continue from the previous flow.

Julian, did you know you can start a rehearsal mark with something other than A? Set the index value in the properties panel to make the first rehearsal mark G, H, whatever comes next. The subsequent marks will be written in sequence. Not a completely native solution, but not difficult to set.

You’re probably already aware of this option, but I thought I’d post it for the benefit of others.

Dan — thanks for the tip. I do this currently when I need it, but it would be nice to have it work automatically. In a project with many flows, it can be inconvenient to have to adjust the rehearsal mark index in all subsequent flows if I add or remove one rehearsal mark in a flow.

I agree with the successive rehearsal marks between flows.

I do a lot of educational materials (exercise sheets, exercise packets, etc.), where each flow is an exercise. When you have 100 flows/exercises, it does become a hassle to change the starting rehearsal mark (exercise number) to reflect the correct number. While this isn’t a huge deal, like I said, it does become a hassle.

Robby