Hide Flows?

Is it possible to hide Flows? It would be nice to hide the flows that I’m not currently working on to get them out of the way.

You can uncheck them in Setup mode - have you tried that?

Yes, but don’t see a checkbox

You can remove them from layouts but you can’t hide them from the bottom panel in setup mode.

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OK, now I see. Thanks!

I would think a checkbox in the bottom panel would be more consistent with how Players and Layouts work

Trying to get my head around what you mean by this -as far as I can tell they do - you click on a player, the layouts and flows that it is in are selected, so you can select and unselect them. You click on a layout, the same happens with players and flows. You click on a flow etc.

I think if you were able to simply “uncheck” a flow without a layout selected it would cause pandemonium - flows disappearing unexpectedly from layouts, careful engrave-mode work down the drain…

Seriously though, the flexibility of layouts is one of Dorico’s hugely useful features. You can safely deselect flows and players from layouts to your hearts content without destroying any content- it’s not dissimilar to Photoshop and Logic’s non destructive editing…

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Yes - sorry I wasn’t at my computer when I replied the first time. In the right-hand panel I select a layout (e.g. Full score), and then in the bottom panel I uncheck any flows I no longer need in my full score. I make lots of flows as sketches, and then I can easily have the full score layout only show my final version, by unchecking all those other flows.

You could also create a new layout (Full Score, rename it “working” or something else), then tick or untick instruments in that layout as you wish for working with them. This won’t alter your original Full Score layout (which you can always go back to for reference).

The power of creating custom layouts for various working instrument groups just blows me away (once I finally grokked it).

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Some of us, me included, create a separate layout for each flow individually - that way you can just select the layout and hey presto, you can work on that flow uninterrupted.

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"You can remove them from layouts " - - - HOW???

In Setup Mode: Select the Layout on the right, then untick the Flow from the bottom panel.

Got it!

(Thank you)

Trying to get my head around using multiple flows.

Right now, these things confuses and annoys me (till I understand why I guess :slight_smile: )

  1. In setup, why does clicking on a flow always select all layouts (on the panel on the right)?
    This does not allow for viewing the checkboxes, they just disappear because the GUI cannot show checkboxes for all layouts since they can (and often are) different.

What I’d like to do is only see the layout I’m currently working in and that the deselected flows disappear from that layout instead of looking exactly just like all the other flows and confusing me.

  1. With follow playhead on, clicking on a flow in setup, starting playback and stopping. Command-2, going to write mode, why is the view not the same place? I once again have to press play, wait for NP to start and then the view will update and move to where the playback bar is?

What I’d like to do is a quick way to edit that particular flow instead of going through all kinds of things before I can continue.

  1. When playing back through the different flows (in setup mode), why is the selected flow not shifting to where the playback bar is located?

What I’d like is to be able to see where I am and it would help to have Dorico not only display that in the score, but also helping me in terms of which flow is actually playing.

This is not what happens. When you select a flow in the bottom panel, it turns bright blue, and you can see the checkboxes next to players and layouts, which are a dimmer blue. If you don’t want a layout to include music from a flow, you can either select the layout and then untick the flow, or select the flow and then untick the layout.

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When you click on a Flow in Setup, it shows you all the Layouts that contain that Flow; and all the Players that are in that Flow.

If that Flow isn’t in a Layout, then the Layout should not be highlighted.

Players and Layouts will have checkboxes, and you can remove the Flow from the Layout by unchecking the Layout. Or remove the Player from the Flow by unchecking the Player.

As ever, screenshots of real examples might be helpful.

@asherber ah, I see :slight_smile: I’m still confused, though.

As I see it, when working in the bottom panel the GUI does not allow/help me to edit a particular layout in way where the deselected flows (for that layout) are dimmed, blackened or in other way clearly not part of that layout.
When I select that layout in the right panel, the deselected flows are black instead of blue. That makes it easy to see whether they are part of the layout or not.
As I see it, when going back clicking/editing/working in the bottom panel I have to remember which of the flows I previously deselected because they all look exactly the same.

@benwiggy thanks also for your comments and help :slight_smile:

I realize that I might have misunderstood something, but as I see it now the GUI is not helping me here.





I think that’s correct. If you want to see which flows are included in a particular layout, you have to select the layout, not the flow.

The UI in Setup mode can be a little confusing. There are three types of entity – players, flows, and layouts – which can be wired together in different ways. When you select something in any one of the left/bottom/right panels, that type of entity becomes “primary” and turns bright blue; the other entities are a dimmer blue and show by their checkboxes which ones are connected to the primary.

So the general method is to select the thing that you want to examine or change (bright blue) and then see what is hooked up to it (checkboxes).

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Regarding your third image: “Flow 4 is not in that layout currently, and should look different than Flow 1 and Flow 2”. You say “that layout”, but you don’t have a layout selected – you have Flow 3 selected, and the UI is telling you that all 3 players and all 4 layouts are wired up to it. If you want to see which flows are in a particular layout, you need to select the layout.

Note that the dropdown box in the top toolbar is not part of this equation – it just controls which layout is displayed in the center.

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@asherber thanks ha ha I indeed missed something, thanks for enlightening me :folded_hands:

Well!

The whole concept with flows is really really good.

The setup editor allows me to do the following:
Copy, delete, duplicate and reorder flows.

It’s really difficult to get my head around how it works, and I have a feeling that when I do I will wish the setup editor worked in a slightly different way.

I’d like a way of clicking/working in the bottom panel to edit a particular layout only and keep working on it, while still being guided visually as to which flows in it that are active, what their playback order are, and the current playback position.

I’ll give it some thought and get back :innocent: