Hiding Cautionary key signature


Hi
I am writing a solfege book, and I need to hide cautionary time signatures in every one or two lines to start a new exercise number. I’ve read the topics about this issue, and I use that ridiculous coda method ( writing and hiding it). Is there any other logical way?
I can not start a new flow for each line as I need to have multiple lines on one page. Any suggestion please?

I know how you feel; I’m doing the same thing. I don’t think there’s an option for this yet.

For what it’s worth (and I’m not sure if you already know or not) but you can have multiple flows on the same page.

Thanks for your quick reply. I wish we could get some options in future updates.

Same here.

How often are you wanting to change the key signature?

You can have multiple Flows on the same page. You could even have the “5)” as a Flow Heading.

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I need 5-6 times per page

What I’d do:

  • put every example in a separate flow
  • allow multiple flows per page
  • name the flows 1), 2), …
  • edit the flow header in engrave mode to show only the flow title left aligned
  • decrease the lower heading margin in layout options

Result:

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For educational handouts, etudes, patterns, etc., I often need even more than that.

This is great of course, but also demonstrates how most people (I think) conceive of flows, as numbering them will indicate separate exercises. I most often need to hide cautionary key sigs within the same exercise, so this approach is not very useful.

I know this topic has previously been beaten to death, but it still feels like one area where Dorico’s solution is very kludgy and not very elegant. In Finale there is the one-click “Hide cautionary clefs, key, and time signatures” checkbox to easily accomplish this. Suppressing cautionary key sigs is the correct and expected style for an entire category of music, and the most famous etude books provide countless examples of this. From stuff I have currently within 10 feet of me:

Hanon (Schirmer edition) - Any of the studies that go through the keys around the cycle, so pages 50-61, 65-68, 87-94, and 98-105.
Taffanel - Gaubert Grands Exercices Journaliers de Mécanisme - Many of the exercises use accidentals, but any with key sigs so pgs 16-25 at least.
Maquarre Daily Exercises for Flute - Literally the entire book uses this style of hiding cautionary key sigs.

… and so on. I would much prefer to keep an entire exercise or study within one flow for ease of reordering at a later date, so I use Codas to hide the key sigs, but it still feels like an awkward workaround to accomplish such a common and established style with countless examples in print from some of the world’s most respected publishers. I’d love to see a “Suppress cautionary key signature” option in Properties, or possibly even in Layout or Notation Options. It’s really the expectation with modulating etudes.

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I’ve also read on the forum today that you can set the indent size of Coda’s to 0 (though it is project-wide)… I’ll be using this lots!

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Yep! That’s how I use Codas to hide key sigs. It’s certainly conceivable that within the same project you may have etudes that modulate through the keys, and short excerpts that require a functioning Coda, so I think this is a poor long term solution. It’s the best (IMO) we have now though.

Yes, a Notation Option would make sense. This would allow exercise-style (or TOC-style) and score-style to coexist in the same file, in different flows.

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Not to mention that if you have hundreds of flows in a project, performance suffers. And managing that many flows is cumbersome.

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At the end of the day, the point that any software forces you to do something and, by purpose, stops you from going through what you got used to doing simply and efficiently is not a pleasant experience. Everyone prefers to have a new opportunity and the previous option and in our experience, we choose the best by ourselves.
With all respect and gratitude to the Dorico team and their powerful software, I wish I could have a more democratic environment other than dictatorship. :)))))

Hi Shamim.

I’m not quite sure that understand what you mean? I doubt you’d find a more democratic and transparent environment than the Dorico forum.

I think he means the software. If you want to do something dumb and wrong in Finale, Finale will let you. It’s a bit harder in Dorico. And yes, it’s true that sometimes limits legitimate requests. Like this thread. :wink:

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Yes, exactly. I am talking about the new ways you suggest us to go through in Dorico itself. I found many of them very interesting and time savers, but for the issue of hiding cautionary time/key signature as much as I try and do what I am supposed to do, I can not convince myself that this is a better way.
My humble request is to make both the opportunity (if technically it is possible) and let us decide by ourselves.

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I understand you now.

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Since today’s 5.1 update, this no longer is an issue.

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