Hiding rests in cues

[Mnatseah]

Hello, I’m trying to hide rests around cues. NB these are not rests in the cue-source. It is the cues which Dorico produces around the cue (to show it is a cue).
I’m aware of the Hide rests around cue property.
And I’ve read this post Remove rests in cues
But I’ve got, for instance, a three-crotchet cue, with a bar rest underneath. I select the cue name and then activate Hide rests around cue property. But nothing happens.
Stranger still, in the same project, I have some cues where the rests are hidden, quite irrespective of anything done to the Hide rests around cue property.
Does anyone know why this might be?
Thanks

[Christian_R]

Hi @Mnatseah I don’t know if this is what you are looking for (without en example I didn’t quite understand wich rests are you referring to), but there is a Notation option to omit the bar rests (in cues) on a Flow by Flow basis:

[Mnatseah]

Thanks, @Christian_R
I didn’t know about that option. Sometimes I don’t see the difference between Notation and Engraving Options. Maybe Dorico should think of combining them.
So I did that, but it didn’t make any difference to the two places where the rests wouldn’t disappear. I fixed one of them another way. But there is still a rest that won’t hide. See here

Any ideas?
If you want to see the file, you can get it here:
St Patrick Service - Copy.dorico

[StevenJones01]

I’m not totally sure that I understand which rest(s) you are trying to remove but if it is the whole-bar rest underneath the cue (in the bar circled in blue in your last screenshot) which you are trying to hide/remove, try selecting it and choosing Edit > Remove Rests.

[rafaelv]

If you go to the view menu>Note and rests colors and check/activate “Implicit rest”, you will see that the rest in that bar is explicit, so just delete it (in other words make it implicit again).

[Christian_R]

@Mnatseah

I didn’t know about that option. Sometimes I don’t see the difference between Notation and Engraving Options. Maybe Dorico should think of combining them.

Here an explanation:

Engraving options vs Notation options

The division between is basically that Engraving Options affects how things are drawn, i.e. the graphical appearance of things (line thicknesses, distances, sizes, etc.), while Notation Options affects how things are notated. Notation Options materially affects the way the music is presented, e.g. determining beam groupings, accidental rules, etc., while Engraving Options is more about changing settings that you might think of as forming part of a house style. This division can be a little fuzzy…

[Mnatseah]

Thanks @StevenJones01 @rafaelv @Christian_R
That’s really helpful. I’ve learned some new things.
Yes, it was an explicit rest. Imported from Sibelius via XML, of course.
The division between Notation and Engraving Options can be a little fuzzy as Daniel says. It would be nice to see it all combined.
For me, it would be useful to change colour of explicit rests. But there doesn’t seem to be way to do this.

[Christian_R]

@Mnatseah

it would be useful to change colour of explicit rests

with the option suggested by @rafaelv you will see all explicit rests as as black while the implicit are grey. (I know they are not color in the normal way…, but I think it is very clear)