I have a file I imported from Finale which somehow didn’t have a rest on the first beat of this measure. How do I add the missing quarter note rest?
I’ve been experimenting and everything I do affects the rest of the notes to the right.
Take a look at the B on the second beat in the lower Properties panel. Does it have the property “Starts voice” enabled? If so, turn it off.
Edit: In most cases, you don’t need to explicitly enter rests in Dorico; implicit rests are provided between note entries. But an implicit rest may be hidden.
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Thanks, “Starts voice” was enabled, so I turned it off. I tried selecting a different measure, saving/reopening Dorico, etc. and the rest never “reappeared”. Before I submitted this question I tried inserting a new measure and starting from scratch notating, but that just resulted in all subsequent notes getting shifted right across multiple measures. I wasn’t sure if somehow my Finale import brought in some anomaly which Dorico couldn’t resolve.
I don’t see anywhere in the properties panel for hiding/unhiding rests; not sure what to try next. I’ve been working with Dorico only a couple weeks; so far it’s been more intuitive than I had expected based on my familiarity with Finale but this issue stumps me.
Hi David.
I know it won’t solve your problem, but try to use voice colours on (and show signposts) when you work in Dorico. At least the first year (then you’ll know how useful it is to solve most of the problems!)
There are different voices present there. Each one is able to show rests, but they do amalgamate by default so in this situation, Dorico should show at least rests in upstem voice 1 (the default voice from scratch).
We have no idea of what is happening before. That is why the guidelines to help us help you often refer to posting a project instead of a picture… XML imports can have many unusual settings that we cannot guess and we probably will ask you to change things that are unnecessary steps, etc…
Remove rests is not a property, so no wonder you don’t find it in the properties. It’s in the Edit menu, and you can assign a shortcut to it. It’s a command that turns the properties starts and ends voice in a way that those selected rests are not shown.
With notes colours on, find the last upstem voice 1 (default colour blue) note before what you posted. Chances are the note has ends voice property turned on, turn it off and the rest will reappear.
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Thanks! Finale has different voice colors by default, so I was a bit in the dark about how to tell different voices in Dorico.
I’ll continue experimenting, with this additional suggestion. Trial and error often fixes a lesson in one’s head better than just being told!
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You can usually recover all hidden rests by:
making a selection,
filter(select)> notes and chords
reset (switch off) both the starts/ends voice properties.
(you may need to filter(deselect) tuplets and grace notes, if you don’t see the notes properties)
Can you upload your project, so we can take a look? Or a cut down version that includes the measure in question and a page or two on either side?
By trial and error I’ve gotten past this issue. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Janus, asherber By trial and error I’ve gotten past this issue. Thanks for the suggestions!
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ok David, good it worked out for you. How will you proceed the next time? Can you remember which step brought you further?
I’m not sure what specific step resolved the issue. I kind of think I shutdown my laptop for the night partway through my experimenting and next time I booted up the issue was gone.
Ok David. In general it is good to know Dorico’s approach to rests - especially if you have an imported xml file, where Dorico might read the import based on the import settings.
In Dorico a rest is the absence of music.
Compared to other notation software (where a rest is a thing, an item you have to put in) Dorico pads out the spaces between the notes automatically (with rests). You only have to input the notes, advancing to the next note in between.
These automatically added rests can be made invisible and visible by starting or ending a voice in your music. (Voice in Dorico is like a layer in Finale).
There is a handy menu entrance “Remove Rests” which helps with the “hiding” of rests.
There is no menu entrance for the opposite “Make Rests visible”. But there is a procedure, how you can achieve this. It is the hints @Janus gave you in the thread above.
Thanks. As I continue to learn Dorico I’m getting an understanding of how rests work. The biggest issue I had several days ago was that as I attempted to insert NOTES into the music to correct a single measure, Dorico kept shoving notes in subsequent measures to the right rather than letting me just correct the single measure.
As I indicated earlier, I’ve resolved the problem (and will continue to learn how Dorico behaves), but I still don’t quite understand why all the subsequent measures kept getting pushed along when correcting a single measure.
Thanks to all for any constructive comments.
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Turn off insert mode with i
Jesper
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When I turned off insert mode I was disallows from adding any notes to the current measure in question. How do I add notes without being in “insert” mode?
For what it is worth, I found Finale’s handling of voices much more confusing than Dorico’s–but that obviously varies by individual. I am sure changing software is very confusing.
I do like Dorico’s handling of voices compared to Finale (although I’m a little unsure how to add a 3rd voice in a single hand (a rare, but possible case). I just had trouble with insertion into a single measure without affecting subsequent measures.
It’s hard to answer questions like this in the abstract. “Insert” has a specific meaning in Dorico, relating to Insert mode, but it may mean other things in a more casual sense to users. Can you describe what you were trying to do, maybe with a picture or project file? Does this relate to the image in your original post at the top of the thread?
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You can add as many voices in Dorico as you want. Shift+V will add a new voice, and just V lets you cycle among existing voices. Dorico adds voices that alternate between upstem and downstem, so if you want (for example) one upstem voice and two downstem voices, you would start with the default upstem voice 1, then add downstem voice 1; then you would add upstem voice 2 (but not input any notes) and then downstem voice 2.
Tiny example:
As Aaron pointed out: Insert in Dorico
means, you insert new music and everything after your insert point gets shifted forward.
If you want to replace music in a bar or measure, you could theoretically delete music from that bar and replace the space, filling that bar with new music. Make sure to have Insert Mode off!
But it’s even easier: you can just write on top of the existing one. Place the caret where you want to change/replace the music and start typing.
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