How do i keep the L & R loop cycle in its place while changing tempo

[Qbaked]

hi all,

in some of my projects when i change the tempo the loop markers will stay in its place, in others the tempo markers will move as the tempo changes.

is there a setting to make it so the loop markers stay as they are?

for example, in project 1 I have a 4 bar MIDI recording looped. if i change the tempo, the loop stays wrapped around the 4bar MIDI loop.

in project 2, the opposite happens, the tempo change moves the loop indicators out of place

[alexis]

It’s possible the main time ruler in project 1 is in bars/ beats, where as in project 2 it is in min:sec?

Sorry, away from my computer, I may not have the terminology exactly correct.

[Reco29]

Hi,

you can allocate different timebases to an instrument:

Musical Timebase - the start of the events is locked to its onset based on bars and beats

Linear Timebase - the start of the events is locked to its onset based on minutes and seconds

In this example you are working with MIDI events which have a fixed length. If it were audio events you have another player in the field: Musical Mode. If you want to know more about it and how Musical/Linear Timebase interact with Musical Mode, look here, please:
@raino

How Musical Mode and Linear/Musical Timebase Interact

How Musical Mode and Linear/Musical Timebase Interact Timebase - Applies to an entire Track. A Track’s Timebase determines if Events on the Track have their START Location measured in Bars & Beats or Minutes & Seconds Musical Timebase - Start is measured in Beats Linear Timebase - Start is measured in Seconds Musical Mode - Applies to an entire Audio File and will impact all Events created from that file throughout the entire Project. A File’s Musical Mode determines if an Event’s LENGTH i…

[Qbaked]

Thanks, changing to linear timebase does fix the loop cycle marker issue. they stay in place when the tempo is changed. the only issue now is that the tempo changes dont affect the midi. so i can set the BMP to 1BMP and the song will still play at a fixed tempo. This is a step in the right direction though, but i think there might be a different setting somewhere for this specific issue

[Qbaked]

this isn’t it unfortunately

[Reco29]

Okay, can you please upload a screenshot of the miditrack in the project window? And a screenshot of the tempo track if you have one in your project, too.

[Qbaked]

this is the project with the cycle marker issue. the cycle markers slide as tempo is changed.

this is a screen shot of the project that doesnt have this issue. no matter what i set the tempo to the cycle markers will stay locked in place.

Hopefully you can notice a difference between the two

thanks!

[Reco29]

I can’t…
Please activate Musical timebase on all tracks (the note symbol, not the clock). Does that solve your problem?

Edit: I think I might have misread your original question - it is all about the loop markers staying in place, right? Along with the position of the MIDI events? Please do the opposite - activate linear timebase on all tracks and the loop markers move along with the MIDI events.
However, this will mess up your events on the bar grid… I got the feeling that this is not what you are actually looking for…

[wavefunktion]

Can you please clarify whether or not if the range locators remain on the same bar measures or not ?

When tracks are not set to musical mode it can give the “illusion” that the range locators is “sliding” but it’s actually the tracks sliding outside of the range locators.

[Johnny_Moneto]

The difference between the two projects is that on one you are using Seconds as the primary time display and on the other Bars and Beats.

Try to switch the troublemaker to Bars and Beats by clicking the marked clock icon and then selecting Bars + Beats.

[Qbaked]

this fixed the issue thank you

[Qbaked]

we were on the right page , i had to change the timebase on the transport bar rather than on the individual tracks. check out the solution ,
thanks

[Reco29]

@Qbaked

we were on the right page , i had to change the timebase on the transport bar rather than on the individual tracks.

Well, kudos to @Johnny_Moneto !
I am curious how that setting interacts with linear timebase/musical timebase/musical mode on tracks and linear/musical timebase on the project ruler. Definetly a blind spot for me, not the first one and not the last one, either But I will find out…

[wavefunktion]

Ah yes, glad you figured it out. I have the “Time Dislplays” diasbled in my “Setup Transport Bar Layout” probably because of this very reason lol. It serves no purpose for me.