How should Independent Track Loop Mode work?

I just learned of this mode in a recent thread. Looks very interesting. To my understanding, it will repeat an audio segment that is specifically specified in an audio event.

Once I select a short portion of an audio event, it correctly plays back that portion and loops it. However, it doesn’t properly show the waveform in the track. Instead it shows the original waveform without communicating that a smaller portion of audio is looping.

Is the intended design? Is it intentionally not showing the repeating waveform in the track? Or is this a bug?

As an example, and for comparison, Ableton has a similar feature and displays the waveform repeating correctly:

Yep, that is the intended design. Cubase has this feature since before it supported audio. Let’s just say Ableton took this feature and expanded on it.

Okay. Do you find Cubase’s approach confusing? It shows a waveform that is not representative of the looping waveform. I find it confusing.

The Loop works only inside the editor. It is intended as a temporary work tool. As soon as you leave the editor the Loop is switched off. Therefore Steinberg decided to not change appearance in the project.
I have not noticed any change in the concept of the Ind. Track Loop for more than 30 years.
My feeling is that this is a feature not beloved by Steinberg thmeselves and only kept in Cubase for backwards compatibility. Of course, I might be wrong.

So I guess you’d have to formulate exactly what kind of behaviour you’d like to have and tag the topic as a feature-request.

Why do you need to see the waveform copied like that? to me the Ableton thing looks more confusing.
It’s clearly marked in cubase with the blue tint that this sections is repeated
This is just a playback feature, the event isn’t copied or repeated in the project.

I use this feature a lot when mixing, repeating an event when doing something else

or am I missing something?

Here’s an example. I have several tracks. A couple of them have an independent track loop on it. However, there’s no visual feedback stating which one. If I forgot which one, I would need to open each audio track till I find it or solo it till I find it.

I imagine that in an elaborate project, it would produce confusion. It seems like a User Experience problem: How does the user know what is playing on which track if the visual waveform is inaccurately presented?

So you have a loop on in the editor view, on all tracks, what’s the reason for that?
Think the best use of the editor is to do what ever you are trying to do there one track at a time and turn off the loop there. then back out and continue.
I am almost never in that view so, not sure what your end game is.

I could have the loop on for each track because it could sound good.

Based on your questioning, it sounds like the confusion relates to the approach of loop based composition. You’re asking why someone would do that?

It sounds like this feature was possibly not created for loop based compositions. I assumed it was.

So yeah, my mistake there, you are not using the cycle markers.
so you have the range tool, that’s what’s blue. that shouldn’t do any thing if you don’t do anything with it

trying to figure out what you are trying to do.

You can use regions to jump around in the audio file, or play more than once before going to another region.

so if I understand what you are trying to do, I wouldn’t use this feature for that, not sure if it even meant to do that, I don’t use it.

I would just edit the audio files themself in the project window, build a song, copy/paste

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Then that might be the confusion. The Independent Track Loop Mode only loops a segment of the audio. It’s actually separate from the range selection.

I suspect it’s possibly not meant to be used for loop based composition now… although it’s almost useful for that purpose.

In this screenshot, I circled the feature in the audio window. I also drew lines showing the small portion that is looping. That portion is not reflected in the track view. But again, as we’re theorizing, maybe Cubase didn’t intend for this to be used during a compositional stage. Which is a shame.

yeah this feature and the edit view isn’t what you think it is.

Now that we have established that the Independent Track Loop works only as a non-creative tool inside an editor and gets switched off the moment the editor is closed, …

I like the title of this topic, it asks the right question.

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