How to achieve this notation

[Armin_der_Zweite]

Wow, I’m impressed! Thanks Jesele. I would like to assign “the solution” to you, but….

[jesele]

You already did further up.

Jesper

[Armin_der_Zweite]

You’re right, but only once

[rpearl]

No disagreement. I suppose copying scores does give one the opportunity to learn how to solve certain notational challenges. My only point was that if one is going to copy a published score, there are better ones from which to choose.

[Armin_der_Zweite]

So, let’s agree too agree. In the case of Villa-Lobos, do you have any suggestions?

[charles_piano]

For this?

Start with a 12:8x

Inside it, enter a 3:3e:

Enter two dotted quarters:

Add the tremolo:

Remove the "3"s

Finally, remove the bracket around the 12 and flip it:

(Note that the playback wont’t be correct — if you need it, you’ll have to work around.)

[rpearl]

In terms of a text from which to work? I believe one can find V-L’s handwritten copy online (ISMLP). Here is his notation of the first passage - more consistent than Eschig with regards to rests, but not completely!

[Armin_der_Zweite]

Thank you Charles! This is an astonishing solution!

Meanwhile I hope to have found my own way to write what Villa-Lobos seems to have meant:

For me playback matters.

[Armin_der_Zweite]

Thanks @rpearl ! I will have a look into it.

[Armin_der_Zweite]

If this is really the manuscript of Villa-Lobos himself, he wrote it like that:

This is what M.E. made out of it:

So my solution to the non existing problem is:

Thanks again to all of you, @charles_piano , @rpearl , @jesele .