Dear advanced users and developers.
How could I automatically prevent to split a bar across two adjacent systems? In the following example, I should put a system break on each bar line. Could I configure to prevent that Dorico splits a bar?!
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Thanks in advance!
Dorico doesn’t normally split bars like this - are there existing system breaks in this project? System breaks are attached to rhythmic positions so if you add/remove beats they can end up no longer aligned with barlines, but also if you use “make into system” with notes selected, the last note ends up at the end of the system rather than the start of the next.
This has been a feature request of mine ever since I started using Dorico. 99.99% of the time I do not want to split bars. It’s great that Dorico can do it, and when I need that capability I definitely want it available, but it would be great to have a setting to disable this by default. Casting off would be a lot faster if I could just click anywhere in the bar rather than have to click the barline or first beat. It would also eliminate a proofreading step as I wouldn’t have to scan the systems for a measure number in brackets like I do now just in case I mis-clicked. Casting off is one of the few areas where Dorico is substantially slower than Finale, so the ability to disable split bars would help speed this up a bit.
Casting off is one of the few areas where Dorico is substantially slower than Finale, so the ability to disable split bars would help speed this up a bit.
It is true. Inputting musical information is better than Finale, but arranging bars are slower than Finale.
In the example attached., there are no system breaks.
Dorico splits bars where multiple time signatures are used. I would like to send the Dorico project file only to the developers. How could I do this and to whom should I send it in this new forum?
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Done!
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I have the same problem in my score, Dorico splits almost the last bar of every system. There are no system breaks, but this is imported as musicxml file, can that be the reason?
If you attach the project here, we can diagnose the problem, but without the project itself there’s not a lot we can offer by way of advice. A little reminder:
New Dorico user coming from Finale (or rather, Dorico-curious). I imported a work I’m currently composing via MXML 4.0 and there are all sorts of partial measures at the end of systems. I have figured out how to move each one manually, but why is this happening and is it indeed due to MXML import? Hopefully not something that would happen in a Dorico-native score. Thanks.
four staves.dorico (1.6 MB)
Because your xml has only one time signature, that is treated as local to the top stave. None of the other staves have a time signature so you end up with a gazillion bars of unknown length (all those red x signposts). I have removed all those and set a 4/4 time signature. Hopefully this will allow to to proceed.
four staves-edit.dorico (1.3 MB)
(Edit: In general I find it best to uncheck all the options on Preferences>MusicXML import options and just let Dorico interpret the XML the best way it can)
In this case, is it possible that the original Finale file is set to show large time signatures, or time signatures above one of the staves? If so, it’s a really good idea to unset that before you export your MusicXML file.
Otherwise, the MusicXML file will include time signatures only on one staff, and Dorico will do as it’s told and import the file that way, which is probably not what you want.
If you then want Dorico to show large time signatures, once you’ve got the file imported correctly, you can set this up on the Time Signatures page of Layout Options.
Thanks. Yes, I certainly had time signatures that are the same for each staff, but in Finale you can hide many/most elements from other staves so I do hide them in other staves and have a single time signature displayed. That would certainly make a batch export to MXML a bit more involved, sadly.
So for future importing from MXML, what if I were to batch export, import to Dorico (as I had here) and then just specify a time signature for each staff (and then do your method for displaying a single large time signature)?
Thanks. Just different paradigms and there are of course going to be many things that will break from Finale to Dorico upon import.
I think a couple more steps would be required in Dorico, really. You’d need to remove all of the “manual” barlines that are added in the staves without time signatures. So you would need to Select All, then filter for time signatures, then delete the selected time signatures (which should also remove all the barlines in the whole flow, but don’t panic), then recreate the necessary time signatures, starting at the beginning of the flow and working your way towards the end.
Thanks. It looks like just clicking on a time signature on the right panel did the trick. My bigger issues in general are:
Probably a new file from scratch would avoid some of these issues, but the constant inadvertent “simple entry” when I want to use the Marquee tool to move various notes elsewhere is not getting me anywhere right now. I understand the desire to have one start from scratch and learn “the way,” but I’m also a huge fan of flexibility and I’m of the stubborn attitude that the software should allow me to do things my way, as opposed to having to change my long-standing ways to suit the software. Not giving up, but am providing some feedback. And yes, over 30 years ago I had to learn Finale’s methodology, but there were many ways to accomplish the same thing (the main issues with Finale are long-standing bugs, poor UX elements stuck in the 90’s etc, but the overall concept remains really useful). Thanks.
You don’t drag things in Dorico. You can make a selection and simply copy/paste like any other program. Or you can make a selection then alt-click to a new location. Usefully you can repeat this to copy stuff to many places.
I don’t understand your other questions. Perhaps you can give some concrete examples?
The lack of draggability (although it seems like your Marquee tool can do that to some degree) will interfere with my workflow but let’s see.
As far as multiple repeats: say I have a measure I want to have repeated 11 times on playback. In Finale, I double-click the end repeat sign and can input 11 into the dialogue box that appears and it does playback correctly (I also place a line with 11x that has an arrow on both ends to indicate how many times a performer would play that measure).
For #3 in my list, I want beams to go over rests within that beat (eg, sixteenth note, sixteenth note, 16th rest, sixteenth note would all be beamed together in 4/4 time). That is not happening with the score I imported and am not sure why since the prefs are set to do that.
(BTW I’m just and ordinary user of Dorico)
Add the repeat barline, then change the play n times property to 11.
Difficult to say without seeing the file, but make sure all MusicXML import options are disabled if you want Dorico to decide how to do this.
Thanks. This is helpful.
Well, since version 5 we can! See “Live note editing” in the Dorico 5 Version History.
