How to create a tie to a 2nd ending in Dorico?

[silver_mica]

Is it possible to implement a 2nd tie ending in Dorico? I’m not having much luck implementing a 2nd tie ending on my own.

When I search the Dorico Pro 5.1 online documentation I get nothing at all when searching the word “tie.” There must be some setting that prevents a simple search.

The first screen capture shows Finale’s 2nd tie ending (desired). The second screen capture shows Dorico’s 2nd tie ending (not desired result).

I’m using Doric Pro 5.1 on a MacBook Pro.

it_could_happen_to_you.dorico (600.1 KB)

[asherber]

You’re getting that long tie because you seem to have tied the A in the first ending to the A in the second. You should start by removing the tie and then just tying the eighth note into the first ending.

For the 2nd ending tie, @Christian_R provided an elegant solution just the other day. Insert a grace note before the A in the second ending, tie it to the quarter note, and then in Engrave mode hide the notehead and the stem; the tie will remain.

Here’s the file.

it_could_happen_to_you with tie.dorico (595.4 KB)

[silver_mica]

I’m curious - will the 2nd tie produce correct MIDI files?

[arco]

You can use an l.v.

Short "tie"

If you add the L.V. tie, you can also drag any of its edit handles (in Engrave mode) to move and/or re-shape the tie to how you want it. [LH LV tie] [LV tie 3]

[silver_mica]

L.V. tie = Laissez Vibrer Tie

1. In Write mode select the note in the 2nd ending that requires an end tie
2. In the Properties panel (Window > Show Lower Zone) toggle the Laissez vibrer tie switch
3. In Engrave mode manipulate the tie to begin from the left.

[Derrek]

@silver_mica

I’m curious - will the 2nd tie produce correct MIDI files?

None of the current solutions to this problem will produce (on its own) the sound of a note tied into a second ending. Perhaps that is the challenge that the Development Team feels should be part of any native Dorico solution to the problem and this is what has delayed implementation. Until then, one of the visual work-arounds is not that difficult to effect.

[mjmoody]

The Laissez vibrer tie is working fine for me. However, I just noticed that it doesn’t translate to the parts. So, each Laissez vibrere tie you alter to look right in the score also has to be altered to look right in each part. That seems like a lot of extra work. I hope I’m missing something, and that there is a setting that will make the alteration you make on the score also work with the part.

[mjmoody]

That works, and it follows through in the part. To me, the problem is that the tie is not as thick as a normal tie (since it originated from a grace-note). Also, I think it pushes the note a little to the right. I like that the part looks the same as the score looks, however. With the L.V. solution you have to adjust the tie both in the score and the part.

[StevenJones01]

If you select the tie (and nothing else) in Engrave mode, you will find Middle thickness in Properties > Ties. I have used this recently and found that 3/8 spaces is about right for a short tie such as you have described.

[charles_piano]

@mjmoody

you have to adjust the tie both in the score and the part.

If you want your tie adjustments (same for slurs and for many other objects) to propagate to the parts when you make them in the score, make sure the property scope is set to Globally before making your changes.

[mjmoody]

Awesome! That worked like a charm!

I tried an experiment with that. I set the property to “Globally” and adjusted a LV tie with the flute part. Then, I set it to “Locally” and adjusted the LV tie with the oboe part. Then, I went back to “Globally” and adjusted the LV tie with the clarinet part. Sure enough, when I went to the individual parts, the Flute and Clarinet parts had the LV tie correctly positioned as I had altered them, but the Oboe part went back to the default, with the tie after the note.

So, it appears that the “Locally” vs “Globally” options effect the actions you are doing at the moment. That is AWESOME!